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09-17-2020 , 06:46 PM
Like eyebooger literally makes a post saying he's not an arbiter of science, says he saw some concerning stuff but never divulged what it was, then bans Kelhus with no word on anything "because he received some PMs".
Meanwhile others are free to wildly misrepresent Kelhus to their hearts content. It wasn't a fair action at all. Kelhus isn't abusive or hateful in any way and makes a number of accurate observations. He's also a valued member at MU from what I understand and is actually liked by a number of people as far as I can tell.
Is he a "reactionary"? He probably is. I'm barely sure I know how to define the term but I'll take Birdman's word that he is one. But should that mean he gets banned?
I'd really like to see the "concerning" stuff he posted though.
I think what happened is that Eyebooger just thought it would be fun to ban someone who was new to the thread that people we're complaining about. But that isn't how it should work.
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09-17-2020 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Clipperton
If anyone doesn't know, the minority alt-right posters from the politics forum have been supported and encouraged by the 2p2 admins and that forum is now a complete cesspool which is why someone like Kelhus is allowed there.

Most of the decent posters from there started a new website https://unstuckpolitics.com/

They play some games there too. Not too much yet.
Who are you Eric Clipperton?
Many of the people who post there are awful fwiw. Hopefully you aren't one of them.
Mostly a bunch of sanctimonious douchebags-- the people I like the least.
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09-17-2020 , 06:53 PM
As someone who could care less about political views and has never once prior to now posted or even looked at those related threads I can say this.

Have a different or wrong view? Who cares
Arguing with poggers? Bring it on!
But calling one of your own a nazi? Get the **** out and stay out. You don't belong here

#lolteam2
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09-17-2020 , 06:53 PM
Dustin has made good points. However, if Kelhus was just skirting bans by making alt accounts then eb's move makes sense to me. It just came at an awkward time.
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09-17-2020 , 06:53 PM
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Petition to delete all politics threads:

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Petition to delete all politics threads:

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Willi
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09-17-2020 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Clipperton
If anyone doesn't know, the minority alt-right posters from the politics forum have been supported and encouraged by the 2p2 admins and that forum is now a complete cesspool which is why someone like Kelhus is allowed there.
Luckbox knows this btw, he commenced posting in the politics forum after the coup by the alt-righters.
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09-17-2020 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark_K
I think Luckbox has made good points. However, if Kelhus was just skirting bans by making alt accounts then eb move makes sense to me. It just came at an awkward time.
Well Named (the nazi mod from the politics forum) knew who Kelhus was and allowed him to post without any major incidents afaik. Then Kelhus dipped his toes here, actually played werewolf games successfully (he was one of better players in Harry Potter) -- only to dip his toes into the politics thread here and find himself banned for posting about elephants and cars and hormone levels in a nature/nurture discussion.
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09-17-2020 , 06:58 PM
I think the ban is right if he was previously banned multiple times. There are almost always some people who does not support bans, but usually not banning certain people just makes POG more miserable and certain posters just keeping engaging everyone in some nonsense and eventually still get banned.
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09-17-2020 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Well Named (the nazi mod from the politics forum) knew who Kelhus was and allowed him to post without any major incidents afaik.
dude what part of him being perma'd from this site over and over again are you not grasping?
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09-17-2020 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Clipperton
Luckbox knows this btw, he commenced posting in the politics forum after the coup by the alt-righters.
There was no alt-right coup dude.
The admins were sick of Wookie and Jmam running things like eyebooger is attempting to do here. Not everywhere online has to be a groupthink playground like the old politics forum was, and not everyone who disagrees with you is a racist fwiw.
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09-17-2020 , 06:59 PM
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dude what part of him being perma'd from this site over and over again are you not grasping?
Who cares? How is he posting now? Were his previous bans justified? Does he play werewolf? Is he good at werewolf?
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09-17-2020 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Willi
I think the ban is right if he was previously banned multiple times. There are almost always some people who does not support bans, but usually not banning certain people just makes POG more miserable and certain posters just keeping engaging everyone in some nonsense and eventually still get banned.
Kelhus was going to get banned

it was just a matter of time

EB acting swiftly just saved us all a lot of misery

in hindsight sun et al were right, he should have just been ignored

but that doesn’t change the fact that he should have been banned
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09-17-2020 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark_K
Dustin has made good points. However, if Kelhus was just skirting bans by making alt accounts then eb's move makes sense to me. It just came at an awkward time.
It would have been done at the first sense of trouble if I had known about the many permabans at the time.
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09-17-2020 , 07:01 PM
He posted under WN's modship for a long time without getting banned.
He still posts in politics under the new mods.
So you're wrong that he was going to get banned.
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09-17-2020 , 07:03 PM
I am not sure why you are mad about the ban Luckbox. Based on previous history I am fairly certain he will make another account and keep posting.

It also provides us extra game to catch which one is his new account and we can also blame new and innocent people of being him.
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09-17-2020 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
He posted under WN's modship for a long time without getting banned.
He still posts in politics under the new mods.
So you're wrong that he was going to get banned.
he wasn't banned just because he has opinions we don't agree with. you and mets and others have opinions we don't agree with, and you aren't banned for them.

the thread was unbearable when he was posting in it.
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09-17-2020 , 07:06 PM
birdman might be the most argumentative proponent of ideas people don't agree with, and he's not banned.
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09-17-2020 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Who cares? How is he posting now? Were his previous bans justified? Does he play werewolf? Is he good at werewolf?
Dustin I’ve explained to you like 10 different times how what Kelhus was posting yesterday was hurtful

You seem to be ignoring that even as you say you didn’t read all his posts

You seem like you just want an excuses to be outraged

I think you believe that all speech, no matter how harmful, should be tolerated and/or engaged with. That’s fine. But it’s not surprising that everyone does not share that view

Don’t reply to this with “i would need to go read his posts” or some ****. If you don’t know the content of his posts here your outrage makes no sense. Moreover I explicitly replied to you in the old thread explaining the issues with his posts. So what you need to admit is just that the thing that I and others have said was hurtful you don’t think was. And that is the source of the disagreement
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09-17-2020 , 07:06 PM
What dmk said.
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09-17-2020 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
he wasn't banned just because he has opinions we don't agree with. you and mets and others have opinions we don't agree with, and you aren't banned for them.



the thread was unbearable when he was posting in it.
You made it that way though. I mean wtf? Unbearable? More unbeatable than pages of Israel/Palestine Mets stuff? I doubt it.
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09-17-2020 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
He still posts in politics under the new mods.
Incorrect tense here, afaict
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09-17-2020 , 07:09 PM
My expert advice as former POG Mod: ban all politics threads. Kelhus was fine as a WW player, and he he stuck to that, he'd likely have been able to stay.

I only had to read about 3 posts of his in the other thread to know he deserved the ban. And no, I won't elaborate
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09-17-2020 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Just popping in to say that Kelhus was banned not only for concern trolling, but also for having been permabanned previously (including by POG mods) possibly as many as a dozen times or more.

If you have that kind of record, I don't feel the need to give him benefit of the doubt in cases like this.
I have no idea why permabanned users are allowed back. They are almost never worth it. By the way, Quick_Ben (Kelhus’ previous main) tried to create a gimmick once and tried to in a ww game of mine. I don’t remember what account he had but I obviously narc’d him out to the mods immediately, and he got banned.

So dude was not above trying to evade permas. Perhaps I should have brought it up to the greens.

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Which shows, as always, everybody likes censorship.
Yep. Speaking of which, I have no idea why is trash like Luckbox freely allowed to be a Sandy Hooks truther on this forum.
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09-17-2020 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Willi
I am not sure why you are mad about the ban Luckbox. Based on previous history I am fairly certain he will make another account and keep posting.

It also provides us extra game to catch which one is his new account and we can also blame new and innocent people of being him.
Maybe people should be forced to take a quiz or something when they sign up so we can weed out the Jordan Peterson people.
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09-17-2020 , 07:13 PM
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Yep. Speaking of which, I have no idea why is trash like Luckbox freely allowed to be a Sandy Hooks truther on this forum.
Good to see you're still a douchebag.
We can talk about Sandy Hook on discord if you want.
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