I hear some vaccine reactions/heart problems in kids. Real or fake?!

probably real but it will get buried

There's at least reason to be cautious I think.

Plus considerations of how high the ethical standards should be for medical treatments.

duterte says you should go to jail if you don't get vaccinated

Put all the unvaccinated people together!

wow

elected? no way she's a real socialist.


must be an op.

idk about her, but i hope she's legit. i want to believe!


it's looking she won. 99% of the precincts reporting. i'm not sure how big her lead is. but i think she won

What even is a socialist anyway

lol this is pretty great

you mean, officially?

I’m willing to chip in to the Move filthy to Buffalo fund.

not enough poker and bikini models in buffalo

lol socialism when it comes down to it

But there IS a big casino there!

Nah ironically. Or maybe someone who socializes. Like how materialist means different things.

The differences between a socialist and a socialite, by pwnsall

They're the same thing!

For Mark k and filthy.

if only it were as good as them just doing "nothing"

Given the silence of the community at large on this matter, I have no choice but to assume the community is cool with people that defend Stalin.

That's really, really sad. I get it, though; he mostly killed people from the Soviet Union and who gives a **** about them, right?

BTW, if Sun Tzu made that exact same post (the one I am quoting below) and swapped "Stalin" and "Hitler" he would have been (rightfully) submerged by angry posts.

Yet the only difference between these genocidal maniacs is that Hitler has a higher body count. Birdman can keep saying this is Nazi apologia if he wants.

And now, let's see how Birdman tries to weasel out from some of his terrible opinions (which, granted are not as terrible as his Stalin apologia).

Here, Birdman infers that people living in a country with unjust laws should not get to complain about other states' laws.

An interesting way to defend North Korea, to be sure, since North Korea cannot be defended on its own merits.

After I called him out on this:

He tries to

i) Pretend not to know what I said he was arguing about, which was plain as day and
ii) Deflect attention from his terrible argument by trying to argue about the supposed actual meaning on a word I used (i.e. engaging in a rhetorical, rather than factual discussion - this will be relevant later)
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=9300

A brief exchange about rethoric follows, which I will link for completeness' sake:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=9303
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=9309
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=9312

After the exhange has been completed, I attempt to get back to the topic at hand:

I, of course, do not get an answer to this. Instead, Birdman tries to bring the topic again to the meaning of the word "whataboutism" rather than addressing the fact that he thinks that people living in the US should not get to criticize the prison systems of other countries:

The finishing touch is Birdman having the gall to say that I was the one hung on rethorical question, which is what he was actually doing by bringing up the definition of the word "whataboutism" rather to address the fact that he thinks that people that live in a country with unjust laws should not get to criticize other countries.

Cliffs: do not engage Birdman and expect an honest discussion.

UD,
Stalin simply doesn't have the same sort of cultural salience in the US as Hitler does. Hitler is someone basically universally vilified whereas Stalin is more of an afterthought. People assume he was pretty bad but no one who hasn't studied Russian history actually knows anything or has any opinions on the matter.
But there isn't any reason why we here can't learn either.

TIL that over 9 million dead Soviet people are just "failed communism". Are you simply a victim of an American exceptionalist educational system that does not teach anything interesting about other countries, or do you simply think that since we're a bunch of drunken, vodka-drinking, balalaika-playing, ushanka-wearing bear huggers, that our lives are worth classifying under a label of failed communism.

Do you understand how easy it is to hide atrocities under labels?

This mother****er purged almost 700K Soviets in under three years, and there wasn't even a war involved. He did this to his own people. There is nothing worse than being a traitor. Nothing. There is a reason traitors inhabit Dante's Ninth Circle of Hell.

Lack of regrets confirmed.

I am not going to stay silent when I see Sun Tzu trolling me for saying something about Stalin. Again, if he said what he said about Hitler, the community would have rightfully lambasted him, and I don't care how offended that makes you, but they are on the same ****ing level.

I hope you enjoy playing with mets in next years Anniversary, Crossword. I am sure he definitely will not ruin the game for anyone (not to speak of what he did in a couple of recent games, which I frankly hope does not happen to you, because no one deserves that).

You will never admit I was right on him, but I was, and he deserved what I told him.

While I definitely had fun being part of this community for over 8 years and will miss some folks over there, I cannot justify being part of a group of people that is OK with Stalin apologists.

This is a complete dealbreaker, and while I could keep telling these *******s they should get cancer or whatever, I think I'd rather stop posting on POG, since if that's all I have left to offer, it means I have nothing left to offer.

I just need to complete the two games I am still running, of course, but I am too shocked (and frankly, heartbroken) by what happened to put more than a token effort in them anymore.

If anyone wants to talk with me, they can probably find me on discord or MU, but I also will also stop facilitating WW games on this site. There are a lot of qualified WW-mods now anyway, so I am sure POG WW will survive.

by your own logic, you are a stalin defender

it's not a coincidence that UD refuses to cite a source for his 9 million number