Anyways, "you're a monster" posts are bad and don't help anything. Master, I am sympathetic to the third party stuff, but I don't think third parties exist here.

Maybe mets is really bad faith compared to what normal people do. I kind of thought the entire conduct thread was bad faith, including its creation (and the people who created it knew it!) . At the end chim posted something like "this should appease both sides". Asserting there were just two sides! But maybe it was just some casual throw away line and nothing meant by it and all in my head.

People probably mostly post in good faith from their own perspective and since they understand their intent. Like how most people don't need to apologize because they don't do things they believe are wrong.

But maybe mets is on another level from that!

Lots of people probably just miss posts as well.

Thinking there are only two sides to an issue is likely the ontology of a lot of bad faith discussions fwiw.

Well, my opening was meant to convey that mets does more to help others than post hot takes on the internet without implying that I knew for certain whether master did something similar, but I'll admit I haven't been around attempting to altruistically (and perhaps fruitlessly?) "educate" mets over the years, so I don't share your apparent collective frustration. Regardless, if there's no point to having respectful dialogue, why bother engaging? (I know I'm treading dangerously close to unperson status here because I'm not denouncing the thread bogeyman, but please, humor me a bit longer).

I think that ship sailed.

I literally just said its best not to engage when he posts like that while telling master his post isn’t helpful in the same post you quoted.

I get what you're saying and obviously if I expect nothing constructive, then there is little point in engaging at all.

In my mind, that just lets bullshit spew unfettered, which seems like a fairly bad option as well. At least if I respond, regardless of it being in my overly frustrated way or not, then passersby will at least have a second side to whatever Mets may be posting.

That's how I see it at least. Obviously my frustration with Mets over years of build up might make my own message have less weight. I still feel like it's a better alternative than no contradictory message at all.

I don't think constantly telling him he's a stupid worthless disingenuous piece of **** is going to have the desired effect on the passersby that you claim to hope to persuade, and I think were persuasion actually the goal, you'd act differently (i.e. this feels like a post hoc justification).

Like I said, my frustrations are evident. Probably best just to ignore. I'm sure others here can achieve the desired effect.

Personally I'd prefer the thread standard not to be bullying posters into silence.

I think thread should probably be locked if getting rid of toxicity is serious.

You can do all of this without name calling.

"That's obviously bullshit because XYZ. LOL Mets."

Or that.

It's the second. Been a long time coming. Probably better for my health to put certain people on ignore. Not sure if I have ever done it before (maybe once, back in my RGT days) but the time is right. Gl. Hopefully you can all hold him to task

Can you message me I just made this account so I can’t dm. I know someone who would give you a lot of action on this and who you likely share mutual contacts with.

orangejuice123 is a buddy of mine irl. ignore the message domer. i'll just pm you

That’s a remarkably stupid headline even for democracynow.

democracynow probably wouldn't write a headline like that. that headline is from commondreams. they are more clickbaity.

also..

ive been bullied into taking a break for a week or 2 many times. bobo texts me and asks why i bother coming back.

i think jsmith has prob had enough too

i do come back because i do enjoy debate even tho most of the thread says i dont debate in good faith which is untrue

many ancient jewish texts are written in Aramaic

i wont be insulted if you put me on ignore master

i had you on ignore for a long time

i emptied my ignore list for a ww game and i also realized i wont let people like you get to me

you are the one who never argues in good faith

Kind of an interesting interview! Wouldn't want to vote for Biden. He seems compromised by China.. I guess that could be good for the posters here who like Communist China. They hit us with a virus and put their preferred most controlled presidential candidate up there... I guess this is why Biden beat Liz Warren and Bernie, because he had the backing of our enemies.

masks are a propaganda tool. if we werent forced to wear masks and didnt watch cnn/msnbc, you wouldnt know covid exists, its a visual reminder to live in fear and not trust your fellow human, its also a nice added benefit that its a visual message of who is potential ally or enemy political. a woman yesterday told me to wear a mask, while she had her mask not even on her face. i just showed her the mask in my pocket, smiled and walked away

IANAWW, you can enjoy wearing your chin diaper and "saving grandma" and i can try to continue to just live my life, lol if you want the police to arrest people for not wearing a mask.. not sure that will go well with the defunding the police idea!

This is so stupid that I'm left with no other conclusion that VMF is doing performance art.

It's not very good.

VMF, take a lesson from this lady:


https://twitter.com/blaireerskine/st...94578952495105

As someone that interacts daily with people in hospitals all around the country all I can say is a big L O L to vmf.