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11-17-2017 , 01:57 PM

#78276

pwnsall

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I'm enjoying this new no holds bars thread.

11-17-2017 , 01:57 PM

#78277

master3004

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Barred

11-17-2017 , 02:08 PM

#78278

amplify

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

[REDACTED]

let's bar that hold shall we

Last edited by amplify; 11-17-2017 at 02:34 PM.

11-17-2017 , 02:09 PM

#78279

pwnsall

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If anyone is ever in Vegas we should grab a drink.

Last edited by pwnsall; 11-17-2017 at 02:19 PM.

11-17-2017 , 02:17 PM

#78280

DWetzel

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reported, in all seriousness

that's a line that I absolutely do not appreciate being crossed

and if you're attempting to do it to be funny, you've failed

11-17-2017 , 02:20 PM

#78281

pwnsall

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You said the pedo thing, so go **** yourself

11-17-2017 , 02:23 PM

#78282

DWetzel

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I said I wouldn't stoop to that

and it was in direct comparison to you saying Master sexually assaulted people and that's why he was defending Franken (which he isn't even doing), which is you stooping to that

so maybe look in the mirror if you find such accusations offensive

11-17-2017 , 02:23 PM

#78283

DWetzel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

Master when someone brings up something like"what Franken did was wrong" why do you feel the need to defend him as "not that bad compared to X"? Is it because you've done similar things and you're trying to proactively defend yourself? Why couldn't you just say nothing or agree?

just a reminder of where exactly this started

11-17-2017 , 02:26 PM

#78284

Aksdal

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also as a reminder, giving allegations of sexual assault the benefit of the doubt isn't in the same category as making pure soul reads about who are sexual predators without allegations.

11-17-2017 , 02:29 PM

#78285

pwnsall

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You know what the **** you were doing.

Anyway I deleted it in good faith after amps post because he's probably right.

11-17-2017 , 02:30 PM

#78286

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It's obviously perfectly within the realm of sanity to both be annoyed/disgusted/insert other emotion regarding what Franken did, and to also understand perfectly well that what Moore did is unquestionably significantly worse for a lot of obvious reasons.

I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

11-17-2017 , 02:30 PM

#78287

pwnsall

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aksdal

also as a reminder, giving allegations of sexual assault the benefit of the doubt isn't in the same category as making pure soul reads about who are sexual predators without allegations.

That's what an allegation is?

11-17-2017 , 02:31 PM

#78288

DWetzel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

You know what the **** you were doing.

The same as you, obviously. Is that wrong?

Just playing by the rules of what you seem to consider acceptable discourse.

11-17-2017 , 02:31 PM

#78289

pwnsall

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DWetzel

I've never argued contrary to that, I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

11-17-2017 , 02:34 PM

#78290

amplify

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

You know what the **** you were doing.

Anyway I deleted it in good faith after amps post because he's probably right.

I have removed my quote of it.

11-17-2017 , 02:35 PM

#78291

pwnsall

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DWetzel

The same as you, obviously. Is that wrong?

Just playing by the rules of what you seem to consider acceptable discourse.

I deleted that one post and am happy to have the rest deleted.

11-17-2017 , 02:35 PM

#78292

Aksdal

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

That's what an allegation is?

Fair, that came out wrong. By allegations I meant someone saying that they've been assaulted themselves.

11-17-2017 , 02:38 PM

#78293

pwnsall

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Having never sexually assaulted anyone, should I be happy about all these allegations and keep piling on?

That actually seems pretty optimal.

11-17-2017 , 02:38 PM

#78294

DWetzel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Do you feel that what Franken did is on equal footing with what Moore did?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

Can't believe master went there, trying to excuse sexual assault.

Surprised fake grabbing a woman's boobs is getting this outrage. Thought boobs weren't sexual to feminists?

Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Im pretty sure you know that's not what I was doing but I'll respond anyway.

What Franken did was gross, and there is no excuse for it. He should be (and is being) reprimanded and called out for his behavior. If any charges are yo be had from this and the accuser persues them he should absolutely face the charges.

That being said, the right, as usual is attempting to make a false equivalence between this and Moore. Let's take a look at the key differences.

1. Franken has owned up to and apologized for his actions, profusely. Not only did he apologize to Tweeden, he apologized to his staff, anyone who has worked for him, and to all the women who look to him as someone on the hill who defends their rights. 2. He has asked for an ethics investigation into all of his matters. 3. Tweeden accepted his apology.

Moore has done none of these things. He has called his accusers liars. He has claimed that his signature was a forgery. He has "forgotten" what type of women he dated in his thirties. He hasn't issued a single apology.

These are the differences simply in the aftermath of the accusal. I haven't begun to mention the myriad of differences between Moore and Franken when it comes to the actual contents of the accusal. With Franken we have a single woman who has accused him of inappropriate behavior and sexual assault (which, while not downplaying, amounts to a single unwanted kiss, and a photo where he gropes her breasts through Kevlar while sleeping [and yes, I find the picture to be super gross.]) With Moore, I believe The number of accusers has reached ten, many below the age of 18, and one aged fourteen who have detailed account of being touched on her naked breasts and vagina by am unclothed 30 something Moore.

There is simply no equivalence to what happened if we look at the two cases, and people coming out of the woodwork to crow about Franken while not making a peep about Moore are so goddamn transparent it's amazing they aren't ****ing ghosts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

Lol, master doubles down on excusing sexual assault.

"I'm not excusing it, but...."

Nice touch. He even excused it when no one brought it up!

Personally I think all sexual assault is bad.

I mean, if that's not trying to equate the two acts, then you're doing a ****ty job of arguing whatever it is you're trying to say, because you're literally accusing someone of doubling down on excusing sexual assault that said about the same thing you just agreed with

so, yeah, maybe there's like 20 other posts you ought to be deleting in good faith

11-17-2017 , 02:41 PM

#78295

pwnsall

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aksdal

Fair, that came out wrong. By allegations I meant someone saying that they've been assaulted themselves.

So there is obviously a difference, but I think the best moral standard should be similar, at least at first.

For instance if a friend/woman tells me she was assaulted I would believe her. However if I had unilateral power to do something about it, maybe get whoever it was fired or worse, whatever it may be, I wouldn't do it. Actually even with evidence it happened I almost assuredly wouldn't do it outside the framework of the law.

11-17-2017 , 02:42 PM

#78296

pwnsall

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DWetzel

Master compared them. We're different people.

11-17-2017 , 02:44 PM

#78297

amplify

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I'm trying to think of all the people who have written more books than they've read.

So far I have Donald J Trump and Pete Rose.

11-17-2017 , 02:46 PM

#78298

DWetzel

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He said they’re different, and you replied that he was excusing sexual assault by doing so. Don’t try gaslighting me here.

11-17-2017 , 02:47 PM

#78299

pwnsall

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Raping children is worse than fake groping someone. That's obvious. Only master felt the need to take this incredible moral stance. Actually I did explicitly say that once as well.

I only ever commented on why he felt the need to point it out.

11-17-2017 , 02:50 PM

#78300

pwnsall

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I really need to stop posting on the interwebs. Can I get a ban for a few weeks whatever mod may be around?

If only I could dkgoblock this thread on my phone.

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