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The bottom line is that American foreign policy has created a situation where any country that desires independence from Western hegemony must strive to posses nuclear weapons. That is the only thing that can protect them from military intervention. The rest is just talk. And unfortunately, that is not something that can just be undone (not likely the US would want to undo it even if they could, anyways).

09-20-2017 , 01:24 PM

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Aksdal

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

That's hilarious about people lying about their iraq war support btw....or it could be they just cheated in the polls too ofc

Hmmm who would do such a thing

09-20-2017 , 01:25 PM

#76354

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Birdman is correct. You will get overthrown otherwise.

09-20-2017 , 01:26 PM

#76355

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Dont mess with the ptb. They will crash your economy and cause riots in your capital.

09-20-2017 , 01:27 PM

#76356

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

Ok, this is fine. Not sure how this is contradictory to the article really.

09-20-2017 , 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aksdal

You've said something like that a few times about NK so far. Care to explain this time?

Sure:

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Since the publication of Edward Said's Orientalism in 1978, much academic discourse has begun to use the term "Orientalism" to refer to a general patronizing Western attitude towards Middle Eastern, Asian and North African societies. In Said's analysis, the West essentializes these societies as static and undeveloped—thereby fabricating a view of Oriental culture that can be studied, depicted, and reproduced. Implicit in this fabrication, writes Said, is the idea that Western society is developed, rational, flexible, and superior

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Orientalism, defined as the West's patronizing representations of "The East"—the societies and peoples who inhabit the places of Asia, North Africa, and the Middle East. According to Said, orientalism (the Western scholarship about the Eastern World) is inextricably tied to the imperialist societies who produced it, which makes much Orientalist work inherently political and servile to power.

09-20-2017 , 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aksdal

Ok, this is fine. Not sure how this is contradictory to the article really.

It's not entirely contradictory. Just saying the article misses the point (among all its racist conjecture). American foreign policy is directly responsible for the proliferation of nuclear weapons and moreover it is not up to the US to police who can and can't have nukes. In order to make that argument you have to stick to the racist depictions of Korean society.

The only thing the NYT should be saying about DPRK is to leave them the **** alone.

09-20-2017 , 01:33 PM

#76359

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

Sure:

Connect the dots for me a little more. Are you saying any attempt to characterize NKs motives and intentions by a Westerner is racist? Did they just use the term Oriental or something in there?

09-20-2017 , 01:36 PM

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It definitely seems silly to equate the motives of a society (if those can even be said to exist) with those of the ruling regime anywhere.

But to call that racist is basically the equivalent of vmf calling a Freudian analysis of females sexist.

09-20-2017 , 01:53 PM

#76361

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

Okay, it's not a casual analysis of nuclear proliferation or a case for deproliferation though. It's an analysis of how to keep the nukes from being used one they proliferate. Which is something your analysis doesn't consider at all.

I still don't understand what you think is racist about the article, but whatever I guess.

09-20-2017 , 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

That's hilarious about people lying about their iraq war support btw....or it could be they just cheated in the polls too ofc

Nope, they just misremember, totally standard.

09-20-2017 , 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kokiri

Nope, they just misremember, totally standard.

Otherwise known as lying

09-20-2017 , 02:52 PM

#76364

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Not sure that any orientalism in the article was particularly pernicious. I thought it did a reasonable job of portraying how the world looks from the NK POV.

09-20-2017 , 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Puzzles

I unbanned VMF. You call it a travesty, you are entitled to your opinion, I obviously disagree with your opinion. Beyond this thread, VMF has a long history of participating in other POG games which is very much valued, welcome, and needed.

This thread isn't intended to be an echo chamber, if you can't tolerate reading specific posters view points/posts, you are free to use the ignore function.

If any poster breaks official 2p2 rules use the report function.

You are all adults, act like it. Nobody should have to babysit this thread. Have civil discourse.

If the collective community can't tolerate other's opposing views/opinions, then ultimatly this thread won't exist in the future, all political discussion will be directed to the official 2p2 Politics forum.

I simply will not remove/exclude people from this thread just because they have a different view point from the majority or others. Debate/discuss or ignore if you are incapable of participating. If you don't like any of those options, don't open the thread.

I wish the mods of P & PU took your stance.

09-20-2017 , 05:22 PM

#76366

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

I wish the mods of P & PU took your stance.

Nobody gives a **** what you wish

09-20-2017 , 05:50 PM

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09-20-2017 , 05:57 PM

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Briefings on the race? Sounds pretty scandalous

09-20-2017 , 06:18 PM

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I believe Putin pays three people, Rohrabacher, Trump, and dustbox.

But we'll just keep it between us. This is how we know we're a family.

09-21-2017 , 08:14 AM

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you know what's worse than hearsay?

anonymous hearsay

(neverminding that the present anonymous hearsay is hearsay within hearsay within ~hearsay)

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09-21-2017 , 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DustinG

So why is the entire American political establishment and MSM lying and distorting the facts about Russia?

Quote:

Originally Posted by amplify

Dustin, as far as I know, everything that you assert is correct. ......

they still feel the need to propagandize the demonization of Russia as if this were a second rate Tom Clancy novel.

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Originally Posted by amplify

I believe Putin pays three people, Rohrabacher, Trump, and dustbox.

But we'll just keep it between us. This is how we know we're a family.

...

09-21-2017 , 04:17 PM

#76372

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your point escapes me

I was gonna cyberbully Melania over the demented pink dress but maturely demurred, mindful that fashion is a minefield she usually navigates with aplomb.

this is just to say
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the aplombs
that were in
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