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11-16-2016 , 09:10 PM

#47201

Birdman10687

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

what happened in 1973?

Reagan, I think

11-16-2016 , 09:12 PM

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Monkey Banana

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

what happened in 1973?

Is this a serious question or are you asking to find out whether Birdman knows?

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

It sounds like it would not only punish intelligence, but it would stunt growth. I think people would become more lazy and less likely to try to think outside the box

You are wrong. Most "innovation" is a waste of resources and most "intelligent" people piss their intelligence away on pursuits that are mostly an elaborate waste of time.

That's not the only way you're wrong. It's just the only way I'm willing to school you on in this post.

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It's also fascist but whatever

No it isn't.

11-16-2016 , 09:13 PM

#47203

pwnsall

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Ok it isn't

11-16-2016 , 09:13 PM

#47204

iamnotawerewolf

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

Of course it is possible to do both. If you get compensated for your labor while also owning some type of capital, you are doing both? One is exploitation the other is not.

So whose side do I join in the revolution?

11-16-2016 , 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana

We are entering a world where automation leaves us with insufficient demand for labour to employ everyone, so why would this actually be a bad thing?

I was serious.

But I am worried about the Tragedy Of The Commons.

11-16-2016 , 09:26 PM

#47206

iamnotawerewolf

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Serious question - what happened in 73?

11-16-2016 , 09:27 PM

#47207

Birdman10687

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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana

You are supposed to be comparing your communist utopia to the capitalist world.

Elsewhere, you've scorned incrementalism. For instance, when I suggested we had to achieve what was doable right now. You considered that "selling out".

So no backsliding, comrade. We want everyone to get what they need, whether they work or not.

Hm I see your point. It feels like the two situations you are describing aren't analogous. But I'd have to think about it

11-16-2016 , 09:27 PM

#47208

iamnotawerewolf

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oh yeah, I heard about the oil lines

11-16-2016 , 09:28 PM

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Monkey Banana

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People like to work and they like to feel they contribute. And many unpleasant tasks can be turned into games.

Also, we have to envisage a world in which we are less conditioned to the way of life we have and more conditioned to the way of life we will have then. We have a tendency to see the way things are now as inevitable but that idea of inevitability is itself something we were taught to accept.

11-16-2016 , 09:29 PM

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jesus, wikipedia makes it look like the End Times

11-16-2016 , 09:29 PM

#47211

Monkey Banana

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1973 was when the Arabs destroyed the western economies. Or we did by not occupying them. Take your pick.

11-16-2016 , 10:19 PM

#47212

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interesting

11-16-2016 , 10:36 PM

#47213

master3004

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The details about Trump's transition snafus that was on the Rachel Maddow show tonight are ****ing terrifying.

Not the least of which is that a week after winning the election, the state department and Pentagon have both said that there has been 0 communication from the transition team.

What the absolute ****?

11-16-2016 , 10:41 PM

#47214

biggerboat

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73 was the year I got my driver's license. Probably the best year ever.

11-16-2016 , 10:50 PM

#47215

iamnotawerewolf

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reading about 1971-73 is reminding me of just how bad I am at economics

11-16-2016 , 10:54 PM

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Richard Nixon ran on a campaign that promised to restore law and order to the nation's cities and provide new leadership in the Vietnam War. A year later, he would popularize the term "silent majority" to describe those he viewed as being his target voters. Nixon won the popular vote by a narrow margin of 0.7 percentage point, but won easily in the Electoral College, 301–191.

sounds familiar...

11-16-2016 , 10:55 PM

#47217

biggerboat

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11-16-2016 , 10:56 PM

#47218

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in before monkey sees that

11-16-2016 , 10:58 PM

#47219

Monkey Banana

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It almost feels like feeding the troll to exclude for it, bigger.

11-16-2016 , 11:06 PM

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yeah 1973 was totally our chance to sweep the ME

sneak attack against Israel on their holiest day of the year while the monarchs gouged oil prices under the auspices of dependency theory

****ing Vietnam all over again (viz Iraq II --/---> Syria)

RIP Just War Theory

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11-16-2016 , 11:06 PM

#47221

Thingyman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Hi thingy. How are the Danes feeling?

Fearful that he'll start a third world war.

11-16-2016 , 11:10 PM

#47222

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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana

The problem is that Trump posed as a nihilist and appealed to people who are radically post truth but he is in fact a front for hard right reactionaries, who are fighting against the destruction of the certainties of the past.

hail the blond orange beast

11-16-2016 , 11:10 PM

#47223

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Some residents took pains to say it was the height and density of the building that they opposed, not the fact that it would house low-income seniors, 20 to 30 percent of whom would be formerly homeless. But others openly said residents of the complex would bring with them the sort of quality-of-life problems that neighborhoods west of Twin Peaks are largely immune from.

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One resident said at Monday night’s meeting, “We don’t know if there are going to be sex offenders living there.” Another asked Christian Church Homes representatives, “What resources are you going to provide to make sure my 11-year-old girl is safe?”

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“As a parent, I am concerned about people with mental illness and drug addictions,” she said. “I want my kids to be able to play outside — that’s why we bought a house here.”

That's what your latte-sipping neighbors think of people like you. Don't vote with them for anti-development policies.

11-16-2016 , 11:11 PM

#47224

Monkey Banana

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

Nothing like Vietnam of course.

11-16-2016 , 11:12 PM

#47225

Monkey Banana

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Originally Posted by iversonian

@filthy, from today's Chronicle:

In a wealthy SF neighborhood, residents fight low-income housing

The reason your rent is so high is not so much because of greedy landlords as it is because your neighbors want to avoid poor people like you.

That's what your latte-sipping neighbors think of people like you. Don't vote with them for anti-development policies.

Wait, when did Filth become poor? I know he lost a few quid on Big Oil but he's still cashed up right?

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