Pretty much all of europe went past the crush stage and into 'would put out on the first date' weeks ago.

1) I didn't even bring it up in the first place, if it was about pouncing on every McCain/Palin gaffe I'd have posted days ago when it happened.
2) Obama's "my muslim heritage" wasn't even remotely the same given it was very clear what he was saying unless you cut that clip so ALL you say him say were those three words.
3) Of course Biden sticks his foot in his mouth a lot. I laugh at him a lot for doing so.
4) My point wasn't that it was a "faux pas" or a "gaffe" because those happen all the time and are kind of boring. When McCain accidentally said "My fellow prisoners" at a rally, it got passed all over the internet and I thought it was silly and not even worth noting. The reason this one made me chuckle was that he ended up struggling to form a cogent recovery sentence before finally going with the "**** it i'm going deep" hometown best-part-of-America pander -- which reminds me much more of Sarah Palin's speaking style than it does Biden's preponderance of gaffes. Which is why I explicitly made that point, rather than "lol mccain"

3-month avatar bet that Obama wins by 7 percent of the popular vote minimum, completely disregarding the electoral college?

No, I really don't care that much. I'm pointing out that it's hardly a landslide, and McCain is much closer to Obama than the reports and a lot of the talk would lead you to believe.

what are the reasons why the electoral college is a good idea?

was talking about this the other day, and couldn't figure it out.

You're no fun.

Just wanted to come in and say that i really hope all of you people voting for Obama switch. Ive come to the conclusion after much time thinking about it that Obama will def be the worst thing that could happen to this country.

Mccain is safe and loves this country. He also has a ton of experience. Give him a chance.

Oh another thing, ive come to the conclusion that most Democrats hate America more than they hate themselves...which i didnt think was possible until recently.

LOL, yeah, like the Democrats could do much more damage than the Republicans have.

Don't get me wrong, I pretty much detest both sides.

i just have to try...i feel bad so many have been suckered in

I could have voted for McCain until he picked Palin as his VP choice. I'd honestly be ok with an Obama presidency, a McCain presidency, or a Biden presidency, but I would not be ok with a Palin presidency.

Sorry MDD

Not that my vote really matters anyways, if Obama wins GA then McCain has already lost HUGE

Madtown, do u disagree? I bet u kinda agree and i know u are a democrat

yes, i disagree
no, i'm not a democrat (not registered as one, and consider myself an independent)

ok...im from MA originally...my family is all democrats along with everyone else in the state. Add in every admitted democrat ive met in the last 12 years of living outside MA and its gotta be close to 100% of them would choose living in another country over this one if they thought it might benefit them a small amount, and they had the means to move and make it happen.

Also Democrats tend to not serve in our military by choice.

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OK, no offense Madtown, but you considering yourself an independent instead of a Democrat, given your posts in this thread, is right up there with ikestoys thinking he's a moderate (instead of a serious conservative) in the Politics forum.

EDIT: I'll give you some benefit of the doubt, though, it might just be this election cycle.

The electoral college is most certainly not a good idea. It, or something similar, was a necessary compromise to get the small states to go along with the constitution.

I haven't really read anything in this thread, but I voted today. Democrat electioneers were outside the polls. I'd never seen anything like it before. They didn't talk to me (I avoided them), but I did find it strange.

I'm guessing it's commonplace in battleground states though. Yes?

<conservative>I held my breath and voted for McCain. </conservative>

I was going to write more on this but didn't. I'm not officially registered for any Party, and in seven years as an eligible voter have voted Democrat for all national-level races. I believe I've voted for one or two Republicans for state/local posts. The major years this would include are 2002, 2004, 2006, and 2008. I'm certainly more in line with the Democratic Party right now, but that says more about the current state of the Republican Party than it does the Democratic Party.

One senator and my House Rep (Feingold and Baldwin, respectively) are both pretty well locked in -- Baldwin especially simply by virtue of representing the most liberal district in the state, so she'll never have a respectable challenger. Feingold just rules and until he ****s something up he's got my vote. But I could totally see voting for a Republican to replace Kohl or Governor Doyle, if they undergo a party shift that makes them a more reasonable and classically conservative party.

This is also true on a Presidential level. My enthusiasm for Obama is unique, and largely due to a confluence of factors unlikely to occur on any regular basis. Assuming the Republican Party undergoes the shift I keep talking about, it could be a very difficult decision in 2016. Or it could be a very easy one, in their favor, depending on the candidates and the makeup of Congress.

I'm not a particularly ideological, partisan person when it comes down to it, so comparing me to ikestory isn't really accurate. I realize it's just my word here, but it'd take a particularly long time to go through a number of issues to show that's true. But I'd say my earlier post outline disagreements with Obama / Democrats (which is far from comprehensive) should show I'm not a party-line guy.

so this was actually some sort of dream that I had last night

its a campaign ad for McCain

part 1: young couple with baby

guy smells babies dirty diaper and says to his wife "honey, you need to Obama that diaper"

cut to another scene that I haven't thought of where Obama is used as a synonym for change

and then another scene after that- finally, voice over guy comes in and says something witty about how all of Obamas change talk is just empty rhetoric and that obama offers no change and how contrary to popular believe,

gtg, its a work in progress obviously)

Please all vote Obama. It's pretty crucial for my personal wealth that the economy crashes even more.

I really don't think who's President matters all that much WRT the economy.

In other words, start celebrating now.

It's perhaps early to do a post mortem on the McCain campaign, but I think a big part of his problem was connecting his plan to regular people. The most glaring example of this is arguing for his tax plan.

I think most people don't think Obama will raise their taxes and BO did a good job of pointing it out with the 95% and 250K stuff. McCain's only real response was "I don't want to raise anybody's taxes." That I remember he didn't make a single argument for why someone making 50K a year shouldn't want people or companies making half a million a year to pay higher taxes. That's not to say that there are no arguments, there are. Howespecially when the economy isn't going well and his tax plans are similar to Bush's. I don't think the Bush tax plan really has anything to do with it but I would guess a lot of voters do.ever, they are not self-evident and he needs to make the case

On a similar note, not saying middle class a single time in any of the debates (Palin did a few times but not him) is awful.

This is exactly why Obama's "We Need Change" is so effective

I agree with this a lot. Obama scares the crap outta me.



As someone who is neither a democrat or republocrat, I'm in a unique position to say that they all hate themselves equally (or love themselves- it ultimately amounts to the same thing)

masons?

one would think that the senate would have been enough

the seeds of disillusionment are strong with this one.

with time they will grow


http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle21083.htm
What “incredibly tough” foreign policy actions is Obama preparing?

This article is a worth a read. It deals with the Biden "gaffe" about Obama being tested