Honestly given the level of vitriol both you and Annie have towards feminists, and the number of times you've both stated half-truths or debatable points or occasionally outright fallacies as if they were incontrovertible facts, I can't really take you at face value on, well, anything on the topic.

That's not saying that either of you are being deliberately misleading BTW. I just think the emotional anti-feminist reaction leads to a heavy subconscious bias in terms of how much scrutiny you give feminist and anti-feminist arguments.

It's hard not to get emotional about something that is evil. Occasionally they are accidentally right about things, It's not that I am so "clouded" that I never agree with them on anything, but typically any feminist viewpoint that I agree with is going to be so obvious to 'smart' people the argument won't come up much in this forum.

You don't have to take my word for it, have you SEEN what's going on at college campuses. Do you think the young adults are acting this way via magic?

didn't you once post an article from cracked.com saying that nothing problematic is going on at college campuses? that's not even a half truth

lol @ subconscious bias accusations too. I am consciously biased against feminists.

The article that argued that the issue has been massively overblown? And gave some solid citations supporting this that I think even Bobo ultimately agreed were correct?

Since the conversation in this thread has reached a mod-backed consensus that the Republican nominee for the presidency (whom about half the country and I support--yet not one soul in this thread) is a racist, it is now time for me to stop posting in this thread. It's your sandbox, so I'll respect however narrow you want to make the spectrum of acceptable discussion and keep quiet if what I have to say doesn't fit in that narrow band.

Sticking to werewolf and Secret Hitler unless and until I get a PM from a Mod clarifying this if I am misunderstanding things.

And yes I'm being a little melodramatic with this post, but it's sincere for the most part, and I have absolutely nothing against the mods or the majority of you posting, who are not on ignore.

I don't remember this at all, but what I imagine I likely said is that it is being overblown the % of students that are this ridiculous. It's likely a very small %. There has and always will be an element of "old people" that wants to criticise the young and will use their worst examples as representative of everyone. That being said, despite the actual % of SJW's being small, their media and political power is remarkable and IS problematic.

The problem is not that 100% of students are smearing fake period blood on their faces during conferences and bullying admin and fellow students to do and say as they like..... but the problem is 5% are doing this and it WORKS!

.... What's funny is "we" would outnumber "them" if it wasn't for these decisions constantly being made. Being called a racist, sexist, and homophobe constantly can be emotionally draining, I understabd. Some day I'm gonna go completely go mad and name Anarchist my squire and roam the countryside on horseback destroying windmills that look like SJWs

I think this is where we got to, yes. I just disagree on the last sentence. I don't see them having particularly more power than any other pressure group, and they're unarguably less well-funded than many (and while money being power is an oversimplification, it certainly helps).

I can see the argument that they're overrepresented at the student politics level, but then my position on that has always been 'who gives a **** about student politics?'.

Ooh, there's an article you might like that I need to look up, give me a minute.

22 day sit-in at seattle university just ended yesterday. but it didn't end with the police called to remove the protestors. it ended with the school firing one of its deans

bobo, i think this is a classic emperor has no clothes situation. the SJWs are saying obviously preposterous things, but almost everyone stays quiet because confronting them has tangible downsides. so instead they just stew and proxy vote trump despite him being an *******

The main student union in the UK is tearing itself apart

absolutely correct



I'll lurk regularly and post rarely.

Haha yes incredibly spot on.

I love that it's well known leftwing firebrand domer who made zorkman quit the thread.

hm, i believe you can treat some demographics different than others because some demographics behave differently. i mean of course you don't want to assume things about strangers but in situations with imperfect information educated guesses are better than nothing at all.

Perhaps someday in the distant future after push back from brave conservative protesters at universities in the year 2234, the above opinion will be allowable.

I think the problem is that sometimes you don't know if someone is making a genuine mistake about strangers, or if they are twisting information to fit their beliefs about a certain group.

I just want to say that Anarchist is amazingly articulate in describing the correct political climate/position here. NYTimes "journalists" only wish they had your skill with words and your perceptive nature, I'm serious. Your posts are pretty much all that has kept me reading this aids-ridden thread. Kudos

I think there is an unnecessary conflation between 'you are a racist' (or sexist or whatever) and 'you are a bad person' which affects both sides of the debate.

Everyone has their prejudices and biases. Grouping them all together as 'things that make you a bad person' without differentiating between them is clearly unhelpful.

Where you want to get to is someone saying something as a result of prejudice, and someone coming back with 'hey, that sounds a bit like it's based on prejudice rather than how things are' without that being intended to be or being perceived as an attack.

But then we get back to the issue of polarisation making most political debates about point scoring rather than actually seeking consensus.

This isn't a "problem" Judgmental morons can be dealt with on an individual basis by people ignoring them or just choosing not to associate with them. This is how we deal with people like this in every other avenue of life, except if it concerns race or sex. Why do we have to police individuals on the basis of these two things so greatly. There are plenty of people who are bias against groups of people for a plethora of reasons, the world does not explode.

Just admit your original si...ppppppprivilege!, and all shall be forgiven!

Seriously its statements like this where you become a religion. I'm not gonna sit here and accept the SJW definition of racism. You are a racist if you want to discriminate against individuals on the basis of race/ generally treat them like lesser or ****. If you do this you ARE a bad person. Anyone who is a racist is a bad person. I understand if you expand the definition to be everything under the sun, then sure you aren't a bad person.... since EVERYONE is racist!

If there are a greater number of people who are biased against others due to their race or sex, does it not make more sense to focus on those areas?