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12-15-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by amplify
I'm not up to speed on Honduras coup, but I still have to look into these rumors I keep hearing that Gal Gadot was some kind of Israeli special forces assassin.
it's a proven fact, just watch Wonder Woman backwards real slow
12-15-2017 , 09:38 PM
She wasn’t an assasin. Pretty sure she was just in the IDF like most (every?) Israeli citizen has to be and was involved, among other things, in operation in Lebanon where she, not surprisingly, killed some brown people. And has also publicly defended the racist, apartheid mission is the Isareli government and its military.
12-15-2017 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
nobody cares about what happens in poor countries. they're brown and they don't speak english. they're too poor to pose a threat or offer any benefit besides cheap labor.
That's not true filthy and you know it. Sometimes they have oil or valuable minerals that need to be exploited.
12-15-2017 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
So he 1) doesn't need to enrich himself and 2) couldn't if he wanted to (apart from apparently booking a few extra trips to mar a lago--which if that is how he is getting rich we should consider ourselves lucky)
At some point, you will learn to forgive yourself for being duped by this conman.



12-15-2017 , 11:17 PM
Wow he should have divested I guess.

Is it the theory that Trump used his influence with house and Senate Republicans to get this inserted into the tax bill?

I'm sure Mueller will investigate

Perhaps it was inserted as part of a quid pro quo with congressional Republicans to get Bannon to back off.

What I wonder though about Mr. Sirota's reporting is how he knows the provisions will only benefit GOP law makers and not democrats as well.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 12-15-2017 at 11:47 PM.
12-16-2017 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Who has benefitted from American militarism around the world?

The American people?

And why is wealth inequality higher than ever?
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
But mostly it's because those pushing for globalization want not what is best not for the people, but for themselves
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
How is this different from Trump?
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Trying to drive traffic to his hotels and resorts?

What is his angle?
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Originally Posted by kokiri
The Obama fetish is the interesting one. He’s obviously selfish bordering on the solipsistic, and an ignoramus, but why is he so obsessed with undoing everything 0bama did? Yes he bears grudges and Obama mocked him at the wh press dinner that time, but the hard on for Obama seems to have predated that, no? He was a birther.
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Originally Posted by kokiri
No you don’t get it. Trump would quite happily scratch an Obama’s bill and then pass the exact same one if it would be called Trumpcare. He cares not one jot about any policy that doesn’t put money in his pocket, but he wants to scrub Obama’s name from the record. It’s really weird.
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm still trying to figure out how Trump lines his pocket.

You know he donates his paychecks?
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
It's not a matter of opinion or me "disagreeing", bahbah. You are just wrong.

Poor people are forced to put most or all of their money toward survival (food, rent, clothes, transportation, etc). That is why they don't have "assets correlated to the market".

Incidentally this is the same misconception that leads you to believe trickle down economics will work.

Rich people spend a very low % of their income on final goods and services whereas poor people spend close to 100% of their income on final good or services. This is why more equitable wealth distribution is actually a positive economic factor in aggregate. Meanwhile tax cuts on the wealth is actually disruptive to the economy. Because rich people don't spend money the way poor people do.
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Trump is not a career politician though.

And he has an electron microscope on him
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
So he 1) doesn't need to enrich himself and 2) couldn't if he wanted to (apart from apparently booking a few extra trips to mar a lago--which if that is how he is getting rich we should consider ourselves lucky)
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
nobody cares about what happens in poor countries. they're brown and they don't speak english. they're too poor to pose a threat or offer any benefit besides cheap labor.
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
the reason they are poor is their own fault, filthy. They have inferior societies. They probably also have too much money in cash and real estate...

/s
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Wow he should have divested I guess.

Is it the theory that Trump used his influence with house and Senate Republicans to get this inserted into the tax bill?

I'm sure Mueller will investigate

Perhaps it was inserted as part of a quid pro quo with congressional Republicans to get Bannon to back off.

What I wonder though about Mr. Sirota's reporting is how he knows the provisions will only benefit GOP law makers and not democrats as well.
I have to leave for work in 10 minutes, but I pulled out a few things I want to applaud or address later.

Dustin, yours will take some time, but kokiri, maybe not being an American, you don't fully appreciate the mouth foaming reaction some people have to Obama over here.

Trump cares deeply about things that make him sound good to his friends/supporters. He NEEDS their approval. (As I've struggled with trying to fix my own issues over the years, I've realized I suffer from some of the same disease, so it's easy to recognize.) Nothing makes the narrow swath of the electorate that still supports him more upset than the fact that President Obama existed at all. So Trump deleting something Obama did is going to earn him lots of stroking from them.

Last edited by VoraciousReader; 12-16-2017 at 12:09 AM. Reason: Edit: also I had to look up how to spell swath.
12-16-2017 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
It's not a matter of opinion or me "disagreeing", bahbah. You are just wrong.

Poor people are forced to put most or all of their money toward survival (food, rent, clothes, transportation, etc). That is why they don't have "assets correlated to the market".

Incidentally this is the same misconception that leads you to believe trickle down economics will work.

Rich people spend a very low % of their income on final goods and services whereas poor people spend close to 100% of their income on final good or services. This is why more equitable wealth distribution is actually a positive economic factor in aggregate. Meanwhile tax cuts on the wealth is actually disruptive to the economy. Because rich people don't spend money the way poor people do.
You conveniently never mentioned the middle class who often does invest their money. Please complete your thought by admitting that you are wrong, that the middle class does invest money and where they invest OR if you don't want to write it all out you can apologize for saying my post was the worst in the thread and admit that post of mine was right.
12-16-2017 , 12:18 AM
luckbox, your heroes have forsaken you. you are their chattle.


birdman, your dreams are emptying tyrannies of misanthropic malcontents


bahbah, your theories are the risen dead of the once-overthrown flogging mercantile lords


kerowo, your monsters thrive on the crumbs about your bed
12-16-2017 , 12:20 AM
Ianaww i was literally just going to post an article on Ukraine for you

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ki...rnment/5622854

Here it is I know you hate gr but it's the only place that covers this stuff. Article presented sans comment
12-16-2017 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Cliffs:
Rich people have paid $1.6M for the secret service to fly with trump
Rich people have paid $2.6M for the secret service to fly with Hillary
$2.6M>$1.6M
Somehow Hillary ran up an airplane bill higher than GOATrump despite Trump being president
12-16-2017 , 01:40 AM
12-16-2017 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Cliffs:
Rich people have paid $1.6M for the secret service to fly with trump
Rich people have paid $2.6M for the secret service to fly with Hillary
$2.6M>$1.6M
Somehow Hillary ran up an airplane bill higher than GOATrump despite Trump being president
Yeah, but Louisville paid strippers to come to the dorm
12-16-2017 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Wow he should have divested I guess.

Is it the theory that Trump used his influence with house and Senate Republicans to get this inserted into the tax bill?

I'm sure Mueller will investigate

Perhaps it was inserted as part of a quid pro quo with congressional Republicans to get Bannon to back off.

What I wonder though about Mr. Sirota's reporting is how he knows the provisions will only benefit GOP law makers and not democrats as well.
At the very least, you can intuit that congressional GOP threw in something to please Trump. Other mainstream reports say Trump has asked for favors in the final bill (re: tax-free local/state bonds for stadiums for one example); it is not hard to imagine he personally or his lawyers asked for this carve out as well.

Obviously Mueller will not investigate this bill.

Since zero congressional democrats participated in the conference that crafted the final text, and also since zero will be voting for it, only the conspiratorially minded would be troubled about the effects to the personal finances of said democrats.
12-16-2017 , 04:37 AM
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12-16-2017 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm still trying to figure out how Trump lines his pocket.

You know he donates his paychecks?


What do think Pass through entity tax cuts are about then?

Also **** like diplomats etc using his ****ty hotels to curry favour, foreign nations doing business with his companies likewise.

The number one point about this presidency is the chance for Trump to be as rich as he’s always pretended to be. The nuclear war, xenophobia, race war, and subversion of the democratically process is really just an afterthought.
12-16-2017 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Cliffs:
Rich people have paid $1.6M for the secret service to fly with trump
Rich people have paid $2.6M for the secret service to fly with Hillary
$2.6M>$1.6M
Somehow Hillary ran up an airplane bill higher than GOATrump despite Trump being president


That was during the campaign. Also Hilary’s bill didn’t get paid to Hilary. Also:
“In total, Trump’s “scampaign” has spent $8.2 million on Trump-owned businesses. Revelation after revelation about Trump’s”
12-16-2017 , 05:05 AM
I actually think that it would have been unreasonable to expect trump to actually sell his businesses.

But it would be entirely reasonable to devise some other methods of oversight - 3rd party management, and maybe some commission to monitor a set of principles to ensure no impropriety.

But trump is pretty much the avatar of impropriety, so obv that ent gonna happen.
12-16-2017 , 05:09 AM
They made Jimmy Carter sell his peanut farm.
12-16-2017 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by amplify
They made Jimmy Carter sell his peanut farm.
Good morning Amp! (4am?)

Long night or early morning?
12-16-2017 , 06:00 AM
Just randomly up in the middle of the night. Played a little dark souls now going back to bed you're in charge.
12-16-2017 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
You conveniently never mentioned the middle class who often does invest their money. Please complete your thought by admitting that you are wrong, that the middle class does invest money and where they invest OR if you don't want to write it all out you can apologize for saying my post was the worst in the thread and admit that post of mine was right.
I think your story is a bit out of date. I read an interesting piece by michael lewis on BBg that argued that the stock market used to be the rich person's preserve, and middle class people were largely frozen out of it, but that the 80s saw a democratization of the stock market - tracker funds, etc, which explains the rise of things like private equity and hedge funds as the new place the rich elites could go to get superior returns on their investments at the expense of the rest of us schmoes.
12-16-2017 , 06:11 AM
Of course, BM is totally right that, as I've repeatedly said and you've ignored, the marginal use of incremental income is very different for the rich/moderately rich/poor, and that rather than a one size fits all approach of bunging the rich more money in any circumstance, we should be looking at the economy as a balance of complex flows and seeing where it is out of kilter.

This sort of thing: https://www.frbsf.org/economic-resea...k-us-recovery/, revealing rising levels of household debt is the crux of my contention that it is the household/individual ordinary consumers' income that is most under pressure, and that what we don't need is more money in the pocket of the rich and of corporations - they're both flush already, but investment opportunities are scarce in part because the regular joe and josie can't afford to consume.



That's not the whole story - there are questions of sustainability, and automation, and the global savings glut, and so on, but it's enough to show why I think your zombie reaganomics are bunkum.
12-16-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard
At the very least, you can intuit that congressional GOP threw in something to please Trump. Other mainstream reports say Trump has asked for favors in the final bill (re: tax-free local/state bonds for stadiums for one example); it is not hard to imagine he personally or his lawyers asked for this carve out as well.

Obviously Mueller will not investigate this bill.

Since zero congressional democrats participated in the conference that crafted the final text, and also since zero will be voting for it, only the conspiratorially minded would be troubled about the effects to the personal finances of said democrats.
Trump has as many if not more enemies among congressional Republicans than he has friends. Him asking for any sort of favor would be idiotic--if that were to leak to the media they would have a field day with it.

And there is no way they are crafting laws that only target gop. I'm pretty sure the net worth of dems in Congress (we can check) is more than Republicans. If Republicans are benefitting then so will the dems.

Sirota's tweets where he pretends otherwise is silly and shows his bias.
12-16-2017 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
That was during the campaign. Also Hilary’s bill didn’t get paid to Hilary. Also:
“In total, Trump’s “scampaign” has spent $8.2 million on Trump-owned businesses. Revelation after revelation about Trump’s”
Hillary and trump likely flew about the same amount of times. This means that Hillary spent 62.5% more than trump. Who cares where that money went? Trunk saved rich people 62.5%.

If he is able to save rich people that much on his flying bill then I can't imagine how much money he is saving them staying at his hotels.
12-16-2017 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
I think your story is a bit out of date. I read an interesting piece by michael lewis on BBg that argued that the stock market used to be the rich person's preserve, and middle class people were largely frozen out of it, but that the 80s saw a democratization of the stock market - tracker funds, etc, which explains the rise of things like private equity and hedge funds as the new place the rich elites could go to get superior returns on their investments at the expense of the rest of us schmoes.
Go look up private equity and hedge fund returns compared to the market and get back to me on this. Until then my point stands that the reason wealth inequality is on the way up and will not stop in the foreseeable future is because the middle class ties a lot more of its assets up in real estate and cash than the rich do.

      
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