that's cool news. i didn't know about that. thanks!

let's just hope north korea doesn't help out too because then, well it'd just be too confusing.

Making over generalizations or stereotyping people based on sex is sexist..

Tautology

VMF how do you square your attitude towards immigrants/refugees with the US policy towards Jews fleeing Nazi Germany?

Only person itt I've missed more than vmf is monkey...where is that loveable race baiter?

I think our country needs to protect our citizens. I don't really think of it as a comparison to Nazi Germany because in some of these situations the area is dangerous because of the whole community, not a dictator.

I am for doing what we can to help refugees, I think one of the main priorities of the government just needs to be citizen safety. The money to operate the government does come from the citizens. We also don't have an unlimited amount of money... if refugees get it, another group that is actually paying taxes, is not getting that money.

With immigrants, I know people who want citizenship from countries that are waiting in line. I think we need to come to an agreement on how many immigrants we can accept a year and do it

I don't really feel like I have an "attitude" towards immigrants. I think illegal immigration being cracked down on is needed to have a country. Most countries don't want the same laws USA has...

I'll pay some thousands to our government this year. I want that money going towards protecting us. Maybe they can use it to train our police officers to not have so many incidents of police brutality. Maybe they can use it to improve our infrastructure. Could even use that money to improve our health care.

If we choose to bring in refugees, it is an act of charity and it will cancel out a plan that could help citizens.

It is amazing how the same people who think that the USA is an awful place, think it is somehow going to be the first place to instill socialism and not collapse. Some great civilizations have collapsed before...

I unbanned VMF. You call it a travesty, you are entitled to your opinion, I obviously disagree with your opinion. Beyond this thread, VMF has a long history of participating in other POG games which is very much valued, welcome, and needed.

This thread isn't intended to be an echo chamber, if you can't tolerate reading specific posters view points/posts, you are free to use the ignore function.

If any poster breaks official 2p2 rules use the report function.

You are all adults, act like it. Nobody should have to babysit this thread. Have civil discourse.

If the collective community can't tolerate other's opposing views/opinions, then ultimatly this thread won't exist in the future, all political discussion will be directed to the official 2p2 Politics forum.

I simply will not remove/exclude people from this thread just because they have a different view point from the majority or others. Debate/discuss or ignore if you are incapable of participating. If you don't like any of those options, don't open the thread.

anyone have any opinions on ken burns vietnam documentary? i only saw about 10 minutes of it. it seemed pretty good

didn't watch it, I can sowly pan across photographs all by myself

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...rapist-exposed

Free vmf

Wait till you read about sex crimes by un peacekeepers

Well, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.

If you really think the ban was based on "just having a different view point from others", then you need to do some damn research. If your goal is to have a **** thread and to have people not participate in POG anymore because it's ****, then you're doing a wonderful job.

The New Yorker did a profile on NK the other day that I thought we pretty good. It gives a history of the country and the Kims and talks about their perception of the US and our goals. It stresses how important the lack of any sort of diplomacy is, and what some of the consequences of that is. It's a good read for anyone who thinks MAD, or even just self assured destruction for NK, is all the deterrence we need.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...orth-korea/amp

I should clarify that by, MAD not being enough of a deterrent on its own, I mean it's not something we should be able to fall back on while we do whatever we want to them (ie sanctions, threats, military action)

Lol @ the iraq analogy

#neveragain

The analogy is less lol if the"we" is the general population. There was a lot of general support for the Iraq war in 2003.

Fair enough. I definitely wasn't taking it that way.

Feminists are often the most sexist

Maybe it's like training day? Some weird mental thing

Some pretty solid racism in that article.

That's hilarious about people lying about their iraq war support btw....or it could be they just cheated in the polls too ofc