Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

For all the problems the regimes we support cause, seems like the ones we don't are worse.

thinking of birdman's diabetes, which is never far from my mind, seems it relates more closely to getting free birth control or abortions or hygiene products than whatever he brought up before

I did not bring up my body, CN did. Just for clarification

ok!

God for some reason I just decided to go read that other thread Lord started. It is the absolute bolts.

Lol, which one?

Idk that "POG philosophy" thread he started in the other sub-forum because he thought this one sucked.

Wow. That's quite a strawman.

I don't think everyone cares equally. That's for sure. I don't at all, and I can't relate very well with the other end of the spectrum.

But I never asked why some people care more than others.

Anyway, everyone is shamed if they strut around naked. Why? Because it's distracting, and maybe it makes people uncomfortable. What parts of the body aren't you supposed to look at? Breasts, vagina, dick.

People who think men walking around shirtless is equivalent to women walking around shirtless are thinking superficially.

Our culture is mostly at fault, but maybe if you thought more deeply about these sorts of issues you wouldn't strawman people who are neutral.

Both me and Digger have strongly criticised our country's immigration policy so no.

Myrologue, it's not a straw man if you actually say it. Men do not as often have the body image issues women do because society does not spend as much effort on making us feel bad about our bodies.

Sure.

Clearly you think you're in the right and it's so obvious that of course anyone who doesn't get it is being stupid, but ironically that condescending attitude comes across as moronic when you're quite clearly wrong about what I've said.

And probably, even, what the topic is about, because what you said in this post isn't very relevant.

P.S.

I've observed you have a bad habit of strawmaning. Not just my positions. And then sarcastically deriding whoever it is as though you understand what they've said better than they do.

Must be hell to debate you face-to-face. I bet only stubborn people do it.

But I'm not one of those people. I'd wash my hands of you and count you as a fool.

Peace.

I'm sorry to hear about your diabetes, Birdman. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Yet you said it.

Perhaps you could give a go to
Not spewing pompous toolery in every post? I need to think deeply to figure out why women are compelled to cover up? You are being strawmanned if you are not quoted verbatim?

Here's what you do if you think you've been misrepresented and don't want to come over as a pompous tool: you restate what you said and explain why you think it's different.

Interesting discussion of Rorty's prescience: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...ld-trump-obama

Somewhat agrees with Lord -- well, Lord is in some respects right although I feel probably not for the right reasons, but his prescription is different. The solution to losing worker support because you have abandoned workers economically is obviously not to veer further right.

Sharing this here because there are so many Aussie posters in POG and the stuff on sugar in Australia is interesting. This is just interesting all around:

Also sharing this as something that speaks to my points on social cohesion.

I finally listened to Jonathan Haidt's appearance on Sam Harris podcast.

I found Sam Harris to be quite a difficult and unpleasant character. He's very confrontaitional.

There was one passage worth transcribing because it speaks to a lot of what I've been concerned about.

Here's the podcast. https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/...jonathan-haidt

I am transcribing 1:35:00 to 1:36:00, if you want to listen on the conversation after this is great. But here was the core issue.

I've been extremely alarmed by the way campus culture at a lot of our top schools has changed radically just in the last two years. There are these new ideas about safety, undergraduates often saying things like ... they just take it for granted that a classroom is meant to be a "safe space". Now if they mean that the teacher shouldn't insult people or that people shouldn't hit each other, of course. But what they mean is that people should not be exposed to ideas that might make them feel marginalised or demeaned. For example, if somebody were to question affirmative action that could be threatening to students who might have benefitted from affirmative action, and therefore you can't question it. And it's very strange that people are getting in trouble for this.


I want to snip it there because here we're getting at the heart of the issue with what some people have called SJW culture.

You see, it's not really that anyone is being racist or sexist or anything like that in this case, it's that someone is daring to challenge a set of beliefs, and it is "triggering" to the students who then reach for labels to shut down the challenge.

This is the heart of the issue.

In the anthropology class I took on native Americans I once asked a question relating to homosexuality in Indians and the professor looked at me like I had murdered a baby. that's my only experience with political correctness in the classroom.

What do "right on immigration" people in Europe think should happen with all the refugees? I am genuinely curious. I don't now.

Ship them to Israel, Australia, or a free Kurdistan imo. Teach them to ride horses and live on the Eurasian steppe. get them involved in crafts like scrap booking or paper maiche (sic?) so they can become productive members of society.

One of the key insights is that this is something that has literally only happened in the past 2-3 years and it is something driven by students not by professors.

In fact, it is something of an epidemic because professors are continuously being hauled up in front of tribunals by this new tyranny -- somewhat ironically because they created it.

Lord what do you call the culture of people who reasonably defend the rights of the marginalized and oppose oppression?

You have pointed out a lot of what is "SJW culture" in Lord-speak. But you don't seem to have a name for the other group I just mentioned.