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01-15-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
also during trumps press conference, the way he signed over his business and handled the conflict of interest, was done well to me

how many people think clinton would have done the same thing for the clinton foundation if she won?
Firstly the clinton foundation is very different from Trump's personal net worth, so it's apples and oranges. Secondly I am absolutely certain that she wouldn't have run the foundation while president. LOL.

I think that it's completely unreasonable for Trump to have to do the same thing as prior presidents (liquidate all investments, let a blind trust reinvest them unknown assest) given the nature of his wealth, but on the other hand I think letting his sons run them is inadequate unless he's planning on never talking to them. It should be run by a third party he has no contact with, and probably other measures as well.

But also Trump's pocket stuffing is a lesser, if distasteful, issue to the more pressing concerns.
01-15-2017 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
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say your point, i dont want to try to interpret what you think that article means, and if you think that would actually remove conflict of interest deals, the way trump did
01-15-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Firstly the clinton foundation is very different from Trump's personal net worth, so it's apples and oranges. Secondly I am absolutely certain that she wouldn't have run the foundation while president. LOL.

I think that it's completely unreasonable for Trump to have to do the same thing as prior presidents (liquidate all investments, let a blind trust reinvest them unknown assest) given the nature of his wealth, but on the other hand I think letting his sons run them is inadequate unless he's planning on never talking to them. It should be run by a third party he has no contact with, and probably other measures as well.

But also Trump's pocket stuffing is a lesser, if distasteful, issue to the more pressing concerns.
I think the conference explained pretty well why selling off the business would not be that easy

The Clintons would have obviously abused the foundation to accept donations from countries like Qatar. like they have been doing since it was around, cause they are corrupt as can be

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/politi...algeria-haiti/

you dont need to look hard to show that you guys are wrong

"Clinton Foundation: 2010 donation broke Obama administration agreement"

why didnt algeria just donate straight to haiti?? or the red cross?? why the hell do foreign countries donate to the clinton foundation over the direct place in disaster????
01-15-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
say your point, i dont want to try to interpret what you think that article means, and if you think that would actually remove conflict of interest deals, the way trump did
There's no interpretation needed. It lays out what they would've done 3 months before the election took place.

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
I think the conference explained pretty well why selling off the business would not be that easy

The Clintons would have obviously abused the foundation to accept donations from countries like Qatar. like they have been doing since it was around, cause they are corrupt as can be
for instance, this excerpt

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If she is elected, we will immediately implement the following changes: The Foundation will accept contributions only from U.S. citizens, permanent residents, and U.S.-based independent foundations, whose names we will continue to make public on a quarterly basis. And we will change the official name from the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation to the Clinton Foundation.
01-15-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
also during trumps press conference, the way he signed over his business and handled the conflict of interest, was done well to me

how many people think clinton would have done the same thing for the clinton foundation if she won?
how exactly has he handled the conflict of interest? Genuinely curious, because I don't see it.
01-15-2017 , 06:08 PM
donating to the clinton foundation seems like a good use of money if you want to get 10 cents on the dollar and make some buddies in the USA government
01-15-2017 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
how exactly has he handled the conflict of interest? Genuinely curious, because I don't see it.
Any deal the Trump kids make will be reviewed by ethics groups and Pres Trump wont hear about it at all. They also wont make foreign deals. They also terminated current talks on any

they took every measure they could to remove conflicts without shutting down business and mass firings

I believe even foreign money going into the hotel, will be donated to the US treasury or something
01-15-2017 , 06:11 PM
lol at aksdal defendin the clinton mafia after they lost. unbelievable man
01-15-2017 , 06:13 PM
we dont really need to argue about this anyway. I believe clinton will see her day in court and all of the truth will come out.. unless Obama pardons her in the next 4 days. (even though she is innocent, amirite??)
01-15-2017 , 06:15 PM
01-15-2017 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
Any deal the Trump kids make will be reviewed by ethics groups and Pres Trump wont hear about it at all. They also wont make foreign deals. They also terminated current talks on any

they took every measure they could to remove conflicts without shutting down business and mass firings

I believe even foreign government money going into the hotel, will be donated to the US treasury or something
FYP.

I guess that sounds like a start, although i'd guess that there is plenty of scope for this to be substantial or not depending on implementation.

It's going to be more or less impossible to prevent informal shenanigans if trump really wants to engage in them, and here's the cliff's notes on all of this disagreement: I have zero faith in trump to stick to any principle, you do. That's all she wrote. End of.
01-15-2017 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
FYP.

I guess that sounds like a start, although i'd guess that there is plenty of scope for this to be substantial or not depending on implementation.

It's going to be more or less impossible to prevent informal shenanigans if trump really wants to engage in them, and here's the cliff's notes on all of this disagreement: I have zero faith in trump to stick to any principle, you do. That's all she wrote. End of.
ya, that seems like the right cliffs
01-15-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
As an aside, I think it might be helpful to list all of the political media we typically consume. I will compile a list of podcasts that are on my rotation.
Zerohedge
drudge
infowars
globalresearch

Dan Carlin I've grown disenchanted with but I'm still willing to listen to what he has to say.

that's basically it. Sometimes I'll watch cnn to see what the enemy is up to.

I've started listening to an Austrian economics podcast in Portuguese, mises Brasil. I used to listen to deutsche welle in Portuguese too but it's European Portuguese which I hate.
01-15-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Like I say, I listen to the man for <5 minutes and have zero faith in him to do anything he claims, but time will tell.

I used to interview CEOs for a living (amongst other things) and Trump would have set off so many alarm bells.
don't forget that we've seen you play ww
01-15-2017 , 06:41 PM
Trump would be great at ww.
01-15-2017 , 06:45 PM
I don't think my sources would shock anyone. I read The Times, the New Statesman, the London Review of Books (lol), Private Eye, and listen to the Economist, 538, a lot from the BBC, quite a few of the LSE's public lecture series, recently am trying Sam Harris and We The People Live, plus obviously get linked to loads of stuff from all over the shop.
01-15-2017 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I don't think that the Comey letter was done of his own volition. I think his hand was forced in some way or another by rank and file FBI agents. We should also remember that there are still 600,000 Huma emails that haven't been released to the public that are probably being used as political blackmail.

The FBI is a large organization so you don't have to be corrupt to get in, you just have to be corrupt to advance.
The Podesta emails had so little that you guys had to invent a paedo code to get excited about them. No reason to think Huma is any more interesting.
01-15-2017 , 07:34 PM
Current podcast subscribe list:

FiveThirtyEight
Reveal
Powerhouse Politics
Politico's Nerdcast
Reaction Political Podcast
Cup of Politics
Slate's Political Gabfest
The Times Redbox Podcast
Slate politics - Spoken edition
On the Media
The Guardian UK - Politics Weekly
Vox's The Weeds
The New Yorker: Politics and More
Slate's Trumpcast
The Axe Files with David Axelrod
The Run-Up
NPR's Politics Podcast
Keepin' It 1600
Spectator Americano
The Right Dishonourable Podcast
The Spectator
The New Statesmen
Coffee House Shots

These are the ones that have survived the madness of post-Brexit and post-Election culling. I manage to catch most episodes of everything except The Axe Files which comes out a bit too frequently for me to keep up with. One notable show I had to cull was "Still Processing", who were starting to drive me up the wall.

From Youtube, out of the many I am subscribed to I tend to watch:

Sargon of Akkad

With an occasional side helping of:

Vernaculis
Noel Plum

These are the smartest of the Anti-SJW crowd. To balance out, I also watch sometimes hbomberguy and demotivatoropinion, who are the least objectionable and most funny of the SJWs.

On traditional media, I watch:

BBC news or Channel 4 news
Newsnight
This Week (with Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo) - possibly my fave politics show period
Andrew Marr
Sunday Politics

Across all of this, I feel I have a more comprehensive coverage than most, looking at things from all sides, and trying to consider as many perspectives as possible.
01-15-2017 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
can we hear more about how Trump causes problems for the military-industrial complex?

seems like he was supported strongly by the military before the election, and that since the election he has lined up industrial leaders for his cabinet
It seems that Luckbox repeating over and over that he's somehow opposed to the establishment has swayed lesser thinkers. What we see is a split between pro and anti Russia factions and practically no one thinking trumps approach to China is a good idea.

The pro and anti Russians seem to be those who see Russia as a money fountain and those who see it continuing to be an excellent bogeyman.
01-15-2017 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Can I ask a question: because a man worked at Goldman Sachs or at Exxon Mobil, does that mean that once they enter government that they represent the interests of those groups?

This has been a one to one equation I've seen everyone making, but it seems to me that Trump was always against lobbying, and by appointing those people -- strong and wildly successful in their own rights -- he was appointing those who would be incorruptable.

For example, if the CEO of a major corporation tried to bribe or lobby Rex Tillerson, he'd be literally trying to do so to an equal not to some Washington figure.

It feels like liberal media and democrat voices don't recognise the contradiction in them criticising these people AT ONCE for having no government experience and for being "the swamp".
For someone who "sees what's real" you have absolutely no idea how things work.
01-15-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
For someone who "sees what's real" you have absolutely no idea how things work.

Care to flesh this out more fully? Spell it out.
01-15-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
I maintain he has no plans to make any impact. Shrug. Like I say one factory is irrelevent. If his plan is to jawbone the odd company to shange their decisions by a couple of hundred people here or there, he's thinking on a city-level scale, not a national one.

All you've given me so far is 'deregulate'. What regulations? It's a bit like the 'cutting red tape' or 'reducing inefficiencies' that UK politicians always bang on about. Sounds good, but without any substance or concrete detail it's basically nothing.

Trump's policies afaik:
- the wall
- torture people and bomb their families
- repeal the ACA and replace it a plan, a great plan, the best plan
- 'deregulate'
- something unpleasant to muslims
- am i missing anything?
Cut taxes for the rich bigly, force Jyna to let the US make his hats and grab pussy.
01-15-2017 , 07:55 PM
No one gives a **** what podcasts you listen to.
01-15-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Does Rex Tillerson have friends? Does he belong to a society?


Or does his entire life, goals, associations, expectations, etc. change when he dons the mantle of State?
Wow, IANAW. You know what this bring me back to? That hypothetical you presented me with a few weeks ago involving three people. In this hypothetical you removed all three people from society and asked me to make a judgement. And bristled when I suggested there was more to the equation.

Imagine me surprise when you are now arguing the very point to Lord that I was arguing to you then.
01-15-2017 , 08:11 PM
I will add comments to the podcasts now.

FiveThirtyEight - worth a listen, especially for the data stuff

Reveal - bit preachy

Powerhouse Politics - seem to lean a weensy bit more right than most of them

Politico's Nerdcast - some good analysis, a bit "wonk" heavy

Reaction Political Podcast - a bit infrequent, has some good interviews sometimes with experts. Ep on Italy was good.

Cup of Politics - I feel like this is more of a right-y one too. Tends to be a "bottom of the barrel" if I've got nothing else deal.

Slate's Political Gabfest - got into this more and more, their year round-up was v. good. Good range of voices on here, and some excellent rantings.

The Times Redbox Podcast - seems infrequent for Times, but good for big-ticket stuff

Slate politics - Spoken edition - just articles from the site read out

On the Media - the woman is more down the line, "Bob" is more of a lefty activist, some of their eps are excellent, but it is topic dependent.

The Guardian UK - Politics Weekly - it's okay, but about what you might expect

Vox's The Weeds - insanely indepth policy stuff by true political nerds, quite good at separating Trump BS from actual actions

The New Yorker: Politics and More - feels oddly agenda-driven and preachy at times, one of my least faves

Slate's Trumpcast - worth listening to just for all of the tweets being read out, has become essential

The Axe Files with David Axelrod - as I said, can't keep up, but long-form interviews are great. Also interviewed Obama recently. I feel like I "trust" Axelrod.

The Run-Up - very good around election time, been quite quiet of late. LOVE the signature music theme.

NPR's Politics Podcast - Good "bread and butter" American politics pod. Liberal-leaning naturally.

Keepin' It 1600 - these guys are all former Obama aids who give "inside track" type analysis. Has been fascinating listening to them trying to figure out Trump strategy.

Spectator Americano - Has an "English man in New York" feel which I dig. Was entertaining when the data guy said he'd eat his hat if Trump won and was then held to it.

The Right Dishonourable Podcast - two British lads just having a chat. Some decent analysis at times.

The Spectator - I've come to like it more and more this year, I find the takes level headed and mostly sensible. Has been a voice of reason even amid Brexit chaos.

The New Statesmen - obsessed with Labour ins and outs, mainly listen to it to balance out Spectator and keep an eye on current thinking re: Corbyn.

Coffee House Shots - see comments for Spectator, a lot of cross-over.

      
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