Apparently no tougher than you believing the Chinese government would tell the truth

Mexico is doing a fine job. They have over 125 million people living in densly packed areas and they have had tons of travel connections with Spain and the USA, and they have only 6 deaths?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Not reporting seems to be working fine.

Seriously though, I have no idea why the Mexico situation is not a major US media and US gov concern. That someone has not said bullshit about their stats and expressed legit concern about the trade between US and Mexico is surprising.

so much for GDP - no masks, no gloves, no drugs, no rooms

advancement of private medicine - no tests, no vaccines, sick nurses


we have known about this for months..




we are drowning in our own bullshit, some of us literally so

did i ever hear a theory that the fall of rome was due partly to a virus? sounds familiar.

usa is a pos society. even an apocalyptic pandemic is mild compared to climate change catastrophe

and centuries of genocide and slavery

You're like a republican when it comes to facts. Only believe what promotes your world view.

500k homeless
2 million+ in prison
centuries of genocide and slavery
leading the charge destroying global climate
endless wars of empire
president trump
usa is an empire of destruction and corruption

i wish i lived in vietnam right now, and that's even though i don't know anyone there. my whole life is in america. and they probably wouldn't let me in anyway because i'm a filthy diseased american

Maybe if you told them you were a famous poker player ...

Lol at Americans? like chim praising china and insulting USA, as they drag people kicking and screaming into lockup, as they probably kill the doctor who helped alert the world to this

dies at age 33? what are the odds that he wasnt executed by COMMUNIST SCUM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801

"Li Wenliang died after contracting the virus while treating patients in Wuhan.

Last December he sent a message to fellow medics warning of a virus he thought looked like Sars - another deadly coronavirus.

But he was told by police to "stop making false comments" and was investigated for "spreading rumours"."


"The virus causes severe acute respiratory infection and symptoms usually start with a fever, followed by a dry cough.

Most of those killed have been over the age of 60 or have suffered from other medical conditions, China's health authorities say. Dr Li's medical history is not known."

"China's leadership had already faced accusations of downplaying the severity of the virus - and initially trying to keep it secret."

"His death has also brought demands for action, with "Wuhan government owes Dr Li Wenliang an apology" and "We want freedom of speech" among the hashtags trending."

"Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter.

In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order". Local authorities later apologised to Dr Li.

In his Weibo post he describes how on 10 January he started coughing, the next day he had a fever and two days later he was in hospital. He was diagnosed with the coronavirus on 30 January."

i know my friends who have lived in taiwan would be DISGUSTED by the chinese praise by clueless americans

so joe biden has been accused of sexual assault by a former staffer

and his brain doesn't work

and he's corrupt

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson tested positive for COVID-19.

The options are to either have total lockdown like China is doing and stop the spread of covid or be ok with millions dying. There is no fantasy land where everything stays the same but the virus is magically contained. If you believe a total lockdown like China is doing is not worth it to save millions of lives that’s fine—that is your own personal value judgement. The US now has more cases than any other country and when it is all said and done China will have had trivial amount of deaths while the US is going to be completely ravaged.

I can't believe I gave Jsmith the benefit of the doubt in our previous exchange, what a piece of human garbage to take my posts as a point to say I am praising China. I'm so mad I gave you the benefit of the doubt about miscommunication, where it's clear you're just arguing in bad faith.

Our numbers are fake, 100% fact. We are ignoring deaths related to COVID, 100% fact. CDC and Trump blew the response to this, 100% fact. We should 100% lol at American response because it is completely horrible. Americans are dying because our response was horrific. PREVENTABLE DEATHS ARE OCCURRING BECAUSE THE USA RESPONSE WAS TERRIBLE.

If you take that as some praise on China, you're just trying to make people look bad.

Screw you.

I'll just add you to ignore because you've shown you are not capable of arguing in good faith.

What a scumbag to hand wave away preventable human deaths because "Well, this other country are full of bad people!"

Complete. Human. Garbage.

China has hidden cases, yes. They deserve derision.

WE ARE INTENTIONALLY DOING THE SAME THING.

Our doctors are told by the government to not bother counting deaths that have already happened that weren't tested before, even if they are sure it was related to COVID.

We are intentionally suppressing our death toll, where is your anger for that?

I feel like the juxtaposition here speaks for itself? You are talking about how awful USA handled it in relation to how China handled it. To me you are basically saying China handled it better, no? While also not being able to trust any of their data, how could you make that claim? Are you speaking in hyperbole? We ignored it all? And "100 percent false claims". Are you some sort of doctor in new york with inside information?

I think the only reason you are so offended is my post struck a nerve. Its true, you were trashing America in relation to how China has handled this virus.

Where is your proof for anything here? Want to cite anything? Specifically where you read that USA government is suppressing our death total.

You also realize the media has incentive to lie about things to get higher ratings and raise fears and hurt trumps reelection chances?

I hope you aren't going to link an article with anonymous sources.

If someone said my post sounded like i was praising china. Id be like lol china is awful (i wouldnt flip out and call the other person garbage)... i wouldnt go into a rant about how awful america is at handling this and how they are lying

Like should this kids death be counted under covid? I have 0 clue. But im not talking with "100 percent certainty" like you chim. You seem like you have confirmation bias with EVERYTHING you have read over the last few years. Especially if its brought you to wishing death upon people like mitch and calling me a garbabge human.. You seem way too entrenched in your political ideas. You might be only looking at 1 side of the argument on things.

when my girlfriend died in 2005, her autopsy said she died of a case of viral meningitis and/or encephylitis,, but I know her disease is why she didnt recover

so how we report is always difficult.

I think it is obvious China has lied a lot

I am no expert on how much we have lied either way. I do agree with chim that we may have delayed testing to make our numbers look good, which is appalling. I dont see a lot of evidence that some of the other claims are true, but I am not dismissing them. All governments lie and fudge facts, and trump is absolutely not beyond reproach when it comes to this.

i dont think its helpful to play the blame game. we can only look forward.
i do feel the democrats delayed the relief bill too long, and now i feel a republican is trying to hold it up

just pass the ****ing thing and then fight for those other things after

usa usually actively inflicts death on innocent people. this time it's just passively allowing deaths.

Not true filthy! It's both. There will be some people that fall through the cracks and will be actively killed by the lockdowns and other actions.

That said, I worry about you, whether it's healthy to spend so much time stewing about some of these things.

Also: Can we just kick Kentucky out of the country? Is there some special requirement that you have to be repugnant in order to get elected there?

well this is concerning

Good post.

It's not just delaying testing (although that is part of it). There simply isn't bandwith or resources to test it all. People die, and stats are being counted elsewhere (like your gf, sorry to hear that, it sucks to deal with and it sucks to not get closure on real cause of death, I'm sorry you had to deal with that). I'd also note -- I'm not sure delayed testing was intentionally done by the administration to make numbers look good (although possible) or if it was hubris to assume we could do things better than the rest of the world (we can't). I have no idea what the motivation was, just what the facts are.

I'm just mad and sad. Public health is my field, my expertise. I'm not saying anything I got from the media or other sources. I am in regular contact with docs and nurses on the front lines who note even today people are dying and aren't being attributed to COVID. Again, to clarify, I'm not even saying this is some intentional suppression, but they are told to not bother spending time or resources testing those who are dead or about to die. We are suppressing our numbers, no matter the intent. I'm in regular contact with other public health experts and epidemiologists about how they are trying to deal with this, and how we are going to educate future students about this process. I'm sad I have people on the front lines who are going to be infected and possibly die because of mismanagement. I'm thankful my career shifted to Academia rather than in the field, because it's horrible right now. I'm thankful I can work from home and isolate myself.
I'm thankful those opportunities allow me to protect my pregnant wife. I'm upset how mismanagement is going to lead to death. Many stories will come out in the coming years about how the process is on the front lines. It's horrific. Your average person has no idea how bad it is.

I'm mad at our government because it's close and personal to me. People I know are involved and either being ignored or being put at risk. Americans are going to die directly due to the actions of the CDC and the administration. People already blew off expert advice due to messaging from the White House. It pisses me off.

We blew it. Plain and simple.

My main takeaway is please please please don't think that due to the fact we aren't testing everyone it means that fatality rates are lower than being advertised. We have no idea because we are not trying to, or have the capability to, have accurate numbers. No one I've talked to think there's evidence to think it is less deadly than experts suggest. We are under-reporting test cases, but also under-reporting deaths. The denominator and numerator in our cases are incorrect, so we have no idea what infection or fatality rates are. Everyone trying to guess that means it is less or more lethal are doing simply that - guessing.