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Old 02-19-2018, 12:39 PM   #176
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No not at all. I haven't gotten into the documentation but there isn't a lot out there. No matter what it will never make a strong argument.

My only point about the siblings is that it is alleged by the conspiracy theorists that some of the children who preformed at the super bowl are actual siblings who preformed with their supposedly dead sibling.

Bloobird had made the point that some could be siblings. And I am saying that that is indeed what the allegation is, just that they are not all siblings.
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:44 PM   #177
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So what's your point on it then?


Do you also think Keanu Reeves is immortal?

http://keanuisimmortal.com/
Being immortal he lived through time with many identities.
These are the confirmed ones.
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:50 PM   #178
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They're intended to be broad, and I think they should capture all regulations, but would be interested if there are any I've missed. I'm quite interested in the theoretical justification of regulation.
A standing bureaucracy (the organization that promulgates regulations) frees up the legislature to address more volatile issues.

The empowerment of the bureaucracy to enact restrictive regulations, I expect, stems from the specialization practiced by the relevant agency and the various overlaps with the agency's ongoing enforcement mission.

I think "transaction cost" covers most of it, with the caveat that information/knowledge acquisition itself should thereby be considered a transaction cost.
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:51 PM   #179
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The issue with not taxing the transfer is that the capital gain of the individual to whom the asset is transferred is then calculated based on its value at transfer.

Therefore creating potential for a massive untaxed gain.
seems an easy enough fix to tax the capital gain based on its growth since its last taxable event
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:52 PM   #180
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A standing bureaucracy (the organization that promulgates regulations) frees up the legislature to address more volatile issues.

The empowerment of the bureaucracy to enact restrictive regulations, I expect, stems from the specialization practiced by the relevant agency and the various overlaps with the agency's ongoing enforcement mission.

I think "transaction cost" covers most of it, with the caveat that information/knowledge acquisition itself should thereby be considered a transaction cost.
oh yes

and I'm also classing costs that arise from our own inability to make good decisions (see: Kahneman et al) as transactional costs, as they essentially flow from our use of heuristics due to the cost of obtaining all the information necessary to make a perfect decision being impossibly high
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:54 PM   #181
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huh, I wonder if that solves for the estate tax loophole as well...
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:54 PM   #182
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seems an easy enough fix to tax the capital gain based on its growth since its last taxable event
yes, that would also make sense

although may be somewhat practically difficult given some assets stay in families for many generations
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:57 PM   #183
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the problem with your system of 'only tax on sale' is that it strongly discourages transactions, which is massively inefficient
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:00 PM   #184
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see also: why I hate stamp duty (I really hate stamp duty, it is one of the worst designed taxes that ever existed under almost any measure)*

taxing transactions is almost always a really bad plan compared to the alternatives, unless you're actively trying to reduce the volume of transactions for other reasons (see: cigarettes, alcohol)

the issue is that transactions are a really easy time to tax something, as there's a clearly measurable value

*probably hyperbole, we've had some really stupid taxes
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:03 PM   #185
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the problem with your system of 'only tax on sale' is that it strongly discourages transactions, which is massively inefficient
we allow tax deductions on unrealized losses (like the depreciation of the value of office furniture that one has no intent of selling) but not on unrealized gains


why not simply tax gains on capital regardless of whether the gains are claimed?
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:05 PM   #186
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we allow tax deductions on unrealized losses (like the depreciation of the value of office furniture that one has no intent of selling) but not on unrealized gains


why not simply tax gains on capital regardless of whether the gains are claimed?
at what point would you tax?
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:07 PM   #187
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taxing transactions is almost always a really bad plan compared to the alternatives,
tell that to the flat-taxers

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the issue is that transactions are a really easy time to tax something, as there's a clearly measurable value
proposed: an annual, or otherwise regular, "worth tax" (as in, upon one's net worth at a a regular time interval) to replace all income, sales, etc taxes; excise taxes excepted
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:07 PM   #188
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at what point would you tax?
iirc our annual deadline is April 15 unless you qualify for an extension
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:17 PM   #189
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proposed: an annual, or otherwise regular, "worth tax" (as in, upon one's net worth at a a regular time interval) to replace all income, sales, etc taxes; excise taxes excepted
I mean, I don't hate the idea (although I think you might need to pair it with an income tax), but given how hard it is to estimate someone's networth it's beyond impractical.

I'm generally very in favour of wealth taxes, but they're hellishly hard to enact. Land value taxes are the easiest, but there's far more potential if we could work out the practicalities
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iirc our annual deadline is April 15 unless you qualify for an extension
so you'd have to get everything revalued every year?

that'd come at a pretty big cost, and again looks largely impractical
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:24 PM   #190
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we already rely on self-reporting, and the penalties for tax fraud are steep


I'm not suggesting we all count up our total number of pens and paperclips - let's limit the taxable wealth to personal use items worth $200 or more, and let's allow for a deduction for the reasonable cost of employing a certified accountant.
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:37 PM   #191
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:42 PM   #192
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we already rely on self-reporting, and the penalties for tax fraud are steep


I'm not suggesting we all count up our total number of pens and paperclips - let's limit the taxable wealth to personal use items worth $200 or more, and let's allow for a deduction for the reasonable cost of employing a certified accountant.
this still seems like an absurd annual burden to put on people, and massively open to fraud

a lot of wealth is land-related, would you have to hire a professional valuer every year?

and it would, if anything, exacerbate the issue of wealth holdings through complex corporate structures to obscure true ownership
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:44 PM   #193
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There is a book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook by Jim Fetzer and several long documentary style films out there. If I wanted to be unfair I could start taking blocks of Fetzer's book and post them here and say "here bb have fun with this".
This appears to be the book in question. The preface certainly is fun:

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This book is the third in the truth series.

The first, “The Dynamic Duo: White Rose Blooms in Wisconsin, Kevin Barrett, Jim Fetzer & The American Resistance,” was also published by Chuck Gregory’s CWG Press. [The Amazon blurb for this one claims that Fetzer and Barrett are "the face, the heart, the soul of the American Resistance to war, oppression, secrecy"; "the real hope of America for real change"; and "the face of Jefferson, Paine, Franklin." -- t]

The second, “And I Suppose We Didn’t Go To The Moon, Either?” dealt with the alleged moon landings, the alleged Holocaust, and the probability that Paul McCartney died long ago.

The fourth will tell the truth about the alleged Boston Marathon bombing.

There will be a fifth, with new information on the events of Sept. 11, 2001.
Not to spoil anything, but the authors argue that no one died in the Boston bombing, that Nazis didn't gas Jews, and that Paul's dead.

It's enough to make one nostalgic for the theories of Professor Grover Furr.
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:49 PM   #194
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genuine irl lol at the 'paul is dead' conspiracy theory popping up there

is there any conspiracy theory this guy doesn't believe in?

this why I'm amused when Luckbox accuses me of using 'non-neutral' sources and then pushes his own entirely neutral source - a holocaust-denier who apparently will go to bat for literally any conspiracy theory, even if it's as gloriously pointless as the 'paul is dead' one
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:54 PM   #195
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Hey tappo. I don't need to use Fetzer.
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:05 PM   #196
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this why I'm amused when Luckbox accuses me of using 'non-neutral' sources
Sorry I didn't realise that was just some guy's blog.

But now that I know where you'll be getting your arguments from I guess I'll be reading it.
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:14 PM   #197
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That picture you added shows/proves nothing btw

I can make a picture with peoples names on it too

Doesn't mean any of it is correct

Have a source for it?
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:20 PM   #198
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That picture you added shows/proves nothing btw

I can make a picture with peoples names on it too

Doesn't mean any of it is correct

Have a source for it?
You've got as much information as I have on this particular aspect. Google.
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:21 PM   #199
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Can someone tell me if that picture needs to be deleted for privacy reasons?
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:23 PM   #200
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"Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" looks at the data:



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