are you confused on the definition of annex or of genocide?

oh i get it

this thread is not modded now so you think can post nonsense

carry on then

"Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people - and only it."

Sounds totally harmless

stop moving the goalposts

how is he running on genocide?

how

tell me how?

And the full quote is:

“Israel is not a state of all its citizens,” he wrote in response to criticism from an Israeli actor, Rotem Sela. “According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people – and only it.

“As you wrote, there is no problem with the Arab citizens of Israel. They have equal rights like all of us and the Likud government has invested more in the Arab sector than any other government,” he said of his rightwing party.

can you at least admit you mis-spoke and say Bibi is not running on genocide or do you stand by your ignorant false statements?

Well I'm not the mod so I can't tell you what to do, but we do have to police ourselves now and going on multi-post rampages against Birdman on Israel will never get us anywhere. So I think just making your points and moving on if he doesn't want to respond is best. It is what I try to do.

Birdman isn't an anti-semite but he is anti-Israel and he'll likely never admit any sort of fault when it comes to it. He will say that he sees annexation as some sort of eventual path to squeezing out the Palestinians--and you have to admit yourself that long term there might be some truth there. It isn't genocide but it isn't good either. I will always support self-determination myself but what I think on these matters is meaningless.

*plus you know annexing even part of the West Bank would likely kick off intifada IV and there would be deaths occurring

when israel annexed east jerusalem they offered full citizenship to every muslim living there
so no there is no evidence that annexing area c would lead to squeezing anyone out

you do realize that 18% of the israel population is muslim right? and they have 20 seats out of 120 in the knesset

so no, there is zero evidence that this would lead to squeezing out palestenins

and less than zero evidence that this is genocide\

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so dustin he brings up israel, i respond, he posts lies, and i should shut up?

i am not going to allow him to say Netanyahu is running on genocide when that is an outright lie made to just cause israel hate

I think you are both too invested ideologically to ever have meaningful discussion on Israel. It is religion for both of you. Birdman doesn't think Israel should be a country so you will never be able to see eye to eye or find any sort of common ground.

So you should recognize that whenever you go into a conversation with him. I don't think that you think that Birdman is an anti-semite but you definitely know that he is super anti-imperialist. Just like with Venezuela, everything goes through that frame.

That doesn't mean he can outright lie in the thread

Mets, you and I just have a totally different interpretation and understanding of the Zionist project and it’s history. Mine is based in material reality, yours is based off a fantasyland that doesn’t exist outside of your head (and maybe a few others)

Birdman, you just made up an extreme and unsubstantiated claim, selectively quoted something to fit your position while omitting the follow-up expressly contrary to that position, and then when called out chalked it up to ideological differences.

You could not have come out of that exchange worse.

Mets wasn't appealing to ideological principles, he cited the historical record.

You claim to be an empiricist, yet again you retreat behind some vague ideological screen when challenged on measurable experiences.

You post links to hate sites. Like, kettle meet pot and everything.

IANAW, you are not using the term “ideological” correctly here

Twitter is thattaway ————>

Bird you are drawing conclusions instead of facts

If you want to debate the legality or morality of annexing area C we can, but not if you are going to use a false pejorative narrative

So kokiri

Bird falsely says that bibi is running on genocide

But i should respond on Twitter?

He's being generous and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean to lie, that your ideology forces you to ignore facts that don't fit your agenda

Since you ignored ill follow up

Are they displacing Palestinians in the west bank at all or building in uninhabited areas?

Do you even care what the answer is?

Jesus **** you whine like an 8 year old.

He's gone as far as questioning the race of the Venezuelans I know and when I changed it from seeing homeless Venezuelans to refuge camps (which is much more accurate) he accused me of lying. Then later he will ignore all of that and go back to thinking that I swallow up US propaganda on Venezuela.

So it isn't just on Israel where his ideological motivations shine. And just as I am pretty passionate about Venezuelans you are about Israel.

But you still have to try to be a little more dispassionate about it. That is why Kokiri is saying go to twitter and Master is calling you an 8 year old. I'm just offering advice on how we can work past this Israel stuff.

I'm not going to be dispassionate when Israel is falsely accused of genocide

Ok but expecting some apology from Birdman or thinking that he will admit fault is naive. He will do none of those things.

So when he makes some sort of inflammatory statement about Israel make your audience the rest of the thread and not Birdman.

You have made a number of what I consider to be good points about Israel and about the state of Arabs within Israel. And this is good because this sort of information I have not been exposed to and countering leftist narratives on Israel is a valid pursuit. Raging at Birdman isn't because it doesn't get us anywhere.

You are better off educating people like me and rest of the gentiles here who have never been to Israel and don't really care, because admittedly there is a battle for "hearts and minds" going on but you will never change Birdman's.

What about when Israel is accurately described as genocide?