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04-21-2018 , 07:18 AM
04-21-2018 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Another semantic rabbit hole. Never saw that coming from you.
yet another conspiratorial malcontent who does not understand "semantics"


You argued that the Syrian govt wouldn't bomb their own hospital. I responded that the hospital was no longer theirs once fallen into enemy hands.


This dispute does not revolve around which word to use to describe a common meaning or a nit-pick about the meaning of some peripherally relevant phrase.

Your argument is simply unsound.
04-21-2018 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/o...-warnings.html

I imagine pearl harbor intelligence was similar. Hardly a smoking gun or any evidence that FDR or Bush "allowed it to happen". I think smart money is that it was likely something between indifference and incompetence. For all the hate Bush gets, I am not exactly sure what he is supposed to do with intelligence as vague as "Bin Laden is going to attack at some point in the future!". Like maybe there is more detailed reported that shows that specific requests were made by the FBI/CIA etc and were denied. Idk.

With Pearl Harbor it was more a situation where Japan and the United States were inevitably going to clash and the US took a lot of step to ensure that there would be conflict. Did the US "want" Pearl Harbor to happen? Kind of a weird question. But there is no doubt war with Japan was an outcome that the US did not try to avoid.
I am not very familiar with Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories. But it would be incredibly incorrect to describe most 9/11 conspiratorial thinking as "Bush allowed it happen". It would likewise be incorrect to think " Bush made it to happen".
04-21-2018 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
To be clear, the line you are taking here is that because all we are doing is refueling the planes that are bombing civilians, and providing the planes that are bombing civilians, and training the pilots that are bombing civilians, and advising the pilots that are bombing civilians, all is good?
No? I said the US should be subjected to trade sanctions until their support of the SA's actions in Yemen stops - not that "all is good".

I am saying the US culpability in Yemen is of a lower, not an empty, grade, respective to SA's. Thus, "indirectly responsible", which still means responsible. Yet again you fail to parse the distinction of "degree vs. kind".

Would you like the US to be bombed for its support of SA?

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Like you clearly don't care about people, IANAW. You really need to drop that act. How absurd it is for you to feign outrage and demand retaliation for a chemical weapons attack that killed a few hundred people while thousands are slain, tens of thousands are starving, and hundreds of thousands are being displaced in yemen by US bombs. We are the country whose leaders suggested that starving 500,000 Iraqis was "worth it". And this is the country that feels it needs to intervene when allegedly a few hundred people were killed. You are so full of ****. Believe whatever you want, but be honest about it. You don't get a **** about anyone in the middle east. You care about America's interests.
You are confusing my concerns with the US govt's, apparently.
04-21-2018 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
If the rules are obvious, why do we need lawyers then?
some people have reading comprehension issues

eg, the difference between "obvious" and "not opaque"
04-21-2018 , 11:31 AM
Birdman pretending he cares about people starving and stuff is fairly hilarious considering his position on NK and Cuba

Also I think he's like, half valley girl like you know what like I like mean?
04-21-2018 , 12:20 PM
Yeah trumping out States rights has been a fun angle.
04-21-2018 , 12:22 PM
I hear the DNC is sueing Russia for rigging the presidential election by exposing the fact the DNC was rigging the Democratic primary.
04-22-2018 , 01:30 AM


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The first battle Gandhi fought in South Africa was to have a separate entrance to the Durban post office because he believed that Indians, who he said were descendants of the Aryans, should not share the same entrance with blacks, who he consistently referred to as “kafirs” and “savages.” He fasted in prison to have separate prisons, separate food.
- arundhati roy

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/17/...eremy-scahill/
04-22-2018 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
if it helps at all, birdman, I'd also like to see NATO bombs dropped on Saudi airfields to reprimand their actions in Yemen


Digger - I'd prefer to incur as little human life loss as possible, and I'd like to see, if possible, solely property destroyed.
This 'red line' is about as meaningful and effective as Obama's. What is the precise point you are trying to make with the bombing?
04-22-2018 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ihcjay
I give it 6-12 months before bird is a 9/11 truther giving the conspiracy path he's heading down
I don't think Birdman's heading down a path, really. The man's a tankie, capable of whitewashing pretty much anything as long as he believes it's in the best interests of the anti-capitalist struggle. However, he doesn't appear to believe that Islamic terrorists have a cause worth supporting, so there's no need to deny their crimes. If anything, the way the Assad regime and its allies in the Syrian civil war brandish their anti-terrorist credentials makes Birdman less likely to go full 9/11 truther.

Obviously he'll maintain a degree of skepticism of the official account, but that's just because he can't very well accept claims by the US government or reportage by Western mainstream media outlets at face value if he intends to maintain his world view.
04-22-2018 , 08:24 AM
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What is the precise point you are trying to make with the bombing?
Is this an articulation exercise? I think the answer is pretty clear...

There's also the aspect of the diminished capacity to continue the offending campaign, regardless of whether the message is, somehow, missed by the receiving end.
04-23-2018 , 04:04 AM
Did it work last time?
04-23-2018 , 09:16 PM
Now that question begs semantics!
04-25-2018 , 04:56 PM
Snapper. Yum!

04-25-2018 , 05:38 PM
Very nice.
04-26-2018 , 12:31 AM
https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=3173574.3174213

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We contribute a case study of El Paquete Semanal or "The Weekly Package" -- the pervasive, offline internet in Cuba. We conducted a qualitative inquiry of El Paquete through extensive fieldwork---interviews and observations---in Havana, Cuba. Our findings highlight the human infrastructure that supports this offline internet, rendered visible through the lens of articulation work. By offering an in-depth perspective into these workings of El Paquete, we aim to challenge established notions of what an (or the) internet "should" look like in more and less "developed" contexts. We highlight how El Paquete is a non-standardized and non-neutral internet, but still human-centered. We also offer an enriched understanding of how an entirely offline internet can provide expansive information access to support leisure and livelihood, additionally serving as a locally relevant platform that affords local participation.
04-26-2018 , 07:11 AM
Cuban book club has got to be better than unrestricted internet!
04-26-2018 , 09:41 AM
At least it's human-centered.

I hear in Costa Rica their internet revolves around lizards and spiders.
04-26-2018 , 11:43 AM
Hurray for academic writing.
04-26-2018 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
At least it's human-centered.

I hear in Costa Rica their internet revolves around lizards and spiders.
Likely they mean human-centered as opposed to, you know, corporation-centered. Weird paradigm for you, I’m sure.
04-26-2018 , 01:09 PM
Offline internet

04-26-2018 , 01:14 PM
Does Cuba have the infrastructure to put it online? Based on a quick search it looks like this paquette is underground but also might be approved by the govt since there isn't any anti govt stuff or porn in it. If they're good with the content in it and put it online itd be more interesting imo.
04-26-2018 , 02:18 PM
Idk it’s a terabyte if data. I’m not an expert in this kind of stuff but that seems like quite a bit of data to get to everyone in Cuba over the web with how poor Cuba is. I could be wrong though.
04-26-2018 , 02:50 PM
I don't know the specifics but I was thinking having the info on a server that people could access, but that's not really the point. It was more than an offline internet where you can't communicate or connect to anything isn't really something I would call an internet at all. It's a library.

      
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