There's not a problem with your argument, just some of the language from that article imo.

I’m not really sure what you are saying here.

Whether or not there is a reason for any racial component there IS a racial component.

So what point are you trying to make?

Pretty sure most people, including most in this thread, don’t understand what racism actually is. Their definition limits it to “when someone of one race has bad feelings about another race””

Like this paragraph here seems to completely miss the point. As if the concentration camps aren’t relevant to the discussion of racism. “We May have concentration camps but that doesn’t means people have bad feelings towards immigrants.” Lol? Even better is the suggestion that since Australia let in a few thousand refugees that they played a part in creating (this literally just means they DIDN’T send a few thousand people to said concentration camps) that is somehow indicative that Australia isn’t racist.

If the only point you are trying to make is that Australia is materially less racist than the US, fine. I don’t agree with you but I don’t really care enough to argue since the US is incredibly racist. But if that is what you are trying to say why bother? Being less racist than the US is meaningless

Dear Kerowo,
Since I'm clearly not going to post in politics again, you really asked that silly question hoping that my response would get me banned?

That is dirty pool.

I am kind of surprised that Luckbox has not eaten a perma after that exchange with chim.

Also, I’ve said it before, but a note for the smart people out there: there is literally no point engaging him; you are not going to “convince him that he is wrong”, he’s troll that enjoys riling people up (the alternative would be that he really believes what he says, and that would be too horrible to contemplate).

Everyone else here knows that what he’s posting is bull****, so there are really no educational purposes in feeding the troll; even mets seems to have his number.

If Chim posts in here and says to perma ban me then I will leave permanently.

I am not wrong. But Chim was actually the mod who started this thread so in truth I actually owe this thread to him.

So if he thinks I should be perma'd I will leave.

I only post here because of Birdman.

This thread was founded as a result of a post that I made in the now dormant community thread.

My first posts from 11 years ago raise issues that are still important today regarding the nature of the two party system, imperialism irt Russia, and the lying msm.

Chim split those posts off into a separate thread and therefore this thread would not exist without Chim.

I needed a better spot to post politics in because whenever I posted in the politics main forum those threads ended up getting locked. I've never been banned or infracted or exiled in the main forum ever but the political climate there would make it impossible for me to post.

chim was never a mod, fwiw

While I understand how what Dustin is saying is offensive, I am much less concerned with his penchant for distrustring the official narrative on things than I am with what seems to be pretty overt racism from Mets itt directed at Muslims

And the much more subtle racism from people like crossnerd

Maybe it’s hypocritical for me to say this, since I do not really post in this thread all that much, but I think you are making a mistake in not banning Luckbox.

Funny. Hitch on post 24 says "Chim started this thread". So I guess it was his suggestion.

Interestingly he says he liked the idea because he found the main forum aggravating.

The funny thing here is how you still sometimes randomly accuse me of random racism. (And I literally don't even have a race and would need to move to Brazil to be around people who look like me)

Your concerns are noted, but I have a very high threshold for permabanning someone who has posted more than 60,000 times (across both accounts) with zero infractions or user notes, and carelessly (as opposed to maliciously) being insensitive does not come close to it.

Why is it funny? You do randomly say/do/think racist stuff. The one I pointed out recently troubles me—you seem to be fixated on exonerating or at least discrediting the idea that white supremacists are committing these massacres which is already bad; but it seems specifically bad that you talk about those but not ones when white men aren’t the perpetrators. Like the us has clear motivation to manufacture hate against minorities so if any of them are likely to be fake I would think it’s those. Point being your fixation on defending white men I find to be indicative of racism.

Also your race here is not really relevant. As I said race is not something as simple as “consciously having bad feelings about another race”.

Almost everyone has some underlying racism in them because racism is an idea borne out of our material reality that is constructed in such a way that without a ton of work you will naturally reflect. And most of the time it’s racism or the variety that the person doesn’t realize it. Like I don’t think Mets or crossnerd THINK they are being racist. To them their behavior is totally reasonable and rational—and we have been conditioned to think that racism can only be irrational. So almost no one ever THINKS they are racist.

Long story short, almost everyone will be guilty of buying into various racist beliefs and when it happens it needs to be brought out into the open and discussed.

And this is why I post here.

But Birdman

Like put it this way—minorities are being slain left and right by cops in this country and I don’t hear you spending a ton of time talking about how obviously bull**** the “official narrative” that the cops always end up going with is. Ferguson, Eric Garner, Castille, etc etc. all those are clear instances of a conspiracy by the White supremacist justice system to get away with murdering black people. Maybe you agree with that but I certainly don’t hear you talk about it the way you talk about sandy hook and columbine.

Police officers obviously need to be held accountable when they commit atrocities.

My concern here in these instances is how these things end up being amplied (come back amp) by the media for what I consider the purpose of sowing racial division. I'm certain that you would feel that the amplification is necessary. But you know the media doesn't operate with altruistic motives. Story that sells...ok.

The media is owned and operated by the same group of people (mostly rich white men) that benefit from the justice system being rigged. To think that the media is on anyone’s side by the cops is ridiculous. And no amount of Soah posting headlines with vague allegiances will change that. It is systemic.

I haven't really been keeping up with this thread so I suppose I don't have as much of an interest, but could we at least ban the conspiracy theories as topics of discussion?

It is also not really clear what this means. It is the kind of vague deflection that Mets uses to avoid actually ever offering meaningful critique of the things he absolutely knows are bad but wants to continue because he is a beneficiary.

Held accountable by what? We agree the justice system is white supremacist and it is there as a tool to enforce class rule. So you are suggesting the state hold the state accountable? That is silly. That’s like saying Donald Trump should audit his own taxes. It shows a complete lack of undersrand of how the state and its special bodies of armed men function in class society.

The first post in this thread is about a conspiracy. I am a conspiracy theorist and have been since 2006. Banning conspiracies is banning me.

wat

“Banning discussion of conspiracy theories” is about the stupidest idea I have ever heard

No offense WN

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