The orthodox are still completely sexist. Conservative Judaism was until the mid 90s or so

I agree that if conservative Judaism didn't stop being sexist it would have died. Orthodox still thrives

Fiddler on the roof shows how Judaism had to transform to survive. But orthodox hasnt

And yes one of the most ridiculous things in Israel imo is not having a section where men and women can pray together. Because the orthodox lobby has nenenyahu

This is off the point though

I was just saying that conservative Judaism has become more liberal on issues that their congregation believes in. But I'll still maintain that a large majority of conservative Jews are greatly pro Israel. And id guess in reform Judaism it's closer to 50 50

And since i see cross' post in the quote

If her point is most millennial Jews are secular and not pro israrl that is exactly my point. They are secular so wouldn't be joining a conservative synogauge.

Its no surprise that as secularity rises so does progressivism

Big ****ing shocker right here.

Lb has never met a hoax he wouldnt happily subscribe to

The "hoax" that the Trump campaign colluded with Russians?

Bsball

What are you looking for out of a synogauge?

Do

Wow and lol

You realize even the media is giving up this narrative?

So remember when immediately after the election Richard Spencer was in Washington DC doing nazi salutes and all of a sudden became a household name?

How do you think that happens?

My point was that I would have to think twice before taking your bet that it was a "maga" that did that. And I might even have to get odds.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ump-supporters

Here is an incomplete list of the hoaxes that have occurred in the last few years.

an obvious racist is president and luckbox is talking about fake racists

Sorry I thought we were discussing hate crimes.

Can you also link me their article that outlines all the real hate crimes that have happened in the last few years?

What are the biggest ones though? Most of the hate crimes that I can recall being well publicized are on that list.

*and from looking it looks like thousands are reported every year so it's a shame they give so much media attention to fake ones.

I'm an old?

LB there are like 9 listed on zerohedge. Even assuming they're all actual hoaxes, how many do you suppose are counted by something like SPLC?

Thousands. It just seems like the real ones aren't covered and the ones that are turn out to be hoaxes.

*slpc in the news today. Co-founder forced out for unknown reasons, btw.

I'm saying they're secular, and whether they are or are not pro-Israel, they wouldn't be pro for the same reasons as you and the older generation of Jews. You can either accept that and start making legit arguments, or you can keep talking about events from Biblical times.

For example, I believe Israel has a right to exist, but that belief doesn't stem from anything written in an ancient text. DUCY? Its because we're not religious.

We're just going to fundamentally disagree that American Judaism is "hurting" because it isn't religious enough or zionist enough for the older generation. Just go ahead and say you think some of us are being "bad jews" ffs. That's basically what you're saying here.

And I don't know about bsball, but literally zero jews I know have ever "attacked" israel. Pretty much everyone is "pro" israel. Its just a matter of what they could be doing better.

i got some hardcore anti israel jew friends... 2 out of the hundreds i grew up with.

and i have several friends who are hella left on many issues but get really defensive about israel. that seems common

American Judaism is hurting because it is empty.

Reading Hebrew without knowing what it means, reciting prayers with only vague notions of their purpose, and clinging to a bastardized (platonic) notion of divinity.

In a ghettoized society, a culture doesn't need much ideological substance to endure, you just do what you know, but American pluralism highlights the lethargy and superficiality of contemporary judaism.


The religion endured for 2000 years without a home state; it is absurd to suggest that controversy over one is now threatening the religion's continuation.

gaza shot 2 rockets into televiv aimed at civilians. none died.

israel will shoot back and civilians may die and israel will be called the devil

but remember people like bird dont have to condemn gaza for shooting first, just israel because they are the only country that matters

I go to torah on tap with the mens club, and i go in a separate room with one of the rabbis saturday mornings when i go to discuss the torah portion in detail for 45 minutes rather than listen to the hebrew

the modern prayer books also have tons of commentary which you can read instead of listening.

so no the religion isnt dyihng because of hebrew thats ridiculous

but i do agree that almost anyhoine who agrees that the religion is dying because of its beliefs and its language most likely doesnt give a **** about israel

Mets may have given other reasons, but in his meager defense he has in fact offered modern, material reasons for Israel existing. Namely, that Jews had just experienced the Holocaust and were welcome in very few countries follows WWII