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03-13-2019 , 09:37 PM
Looks like that bill does nothing but maintain the status quo.

States already have the power to do what they want and the feds are not interfering. Seems like the bill only codifies that.
03-13-2019 , 10:46 PM
itt we debate whether synagogues should support genocide in order to increase membership
03-13-2019 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Trump's probably going to sign the bill giving states marijuana rights as well

https://www.greenentrepreneur.com/article/314798
Lol swing and a miss
03-13-2019 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Looks like that bill does nothing but maintain the status quo.

States already have the power to do what they want and the feds are not interfering. Seems like the bill only codifies that.
but under sessions it was announced they were not going to do that

so it is a good bill

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
itt we debate whether synagogues should support genocide in order to increase membership
nobody is supporting genocide. i know in your dreamworld israel's purpose is to murder muslims, when over 2 million muslims live happily in israel and the muslim countries admit they want to commit genocide on israel but dont let facts get in the way of your bigoted opinion
03-13-2019 , 11:59 PM
dustin this was under sessions only a year ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.f5d7bdf082c6

so the if this new bill is signed it is a big deal
03-14-2019 , 12:06 AM
if you want to call the palestenians an actual group, their population has grown almost 10 times since 1947.
03-14-2019 , 12:10 AM
in 1948 israel/palestine was 82% jewish
from 55 to 65 it was about 89% jewish
today it is 74% jewish with palestenians having their biggest % of the population since the 1940s

sounds like genocide to me
03-14-2019 , 12:12 AM
actually those stats dont include gaza and the west bank. with the the palestenian population is close to 5 million, the jewish israeli population is somewhere around 6 million
03-14-2019 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
It's nuts. Faking sports pictures?
Crazy. The story even has more impact with me because I've a son who is a senior and going through the whole college admission process.

It's so different from when I was a kid. I wish we were more prepared for the whole experience. I guess this is another advantage kid #2 has over the oldest.

I applied to 3 schools. My son applied to 8. In retrospect, he probably should have applied to 20. In a couple weeks we'll know...
03-14-2019 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
beady eyed, hook nosed spongebob to mock mets' refusal to call netanyahu a "fascist"
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
And nice hooknose self hating stereotype post
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mocking-spongebob

Keep up, losers
03-14-2019 , 09:31 AM
Two out of touch oldz cry anti-semite because they don't recognize harmless internet meme, news at 11
03-14-2019 , 11:53 AM
Yeah mark it's nuts

I'm teaching freshman but i speak to teachers with juniors and senior and the pressure they feel to even complete applications is unbearable

This scandal is huge. I'm not sure im buying the schools not knowing about it. Loughlins daughter was apparently on a Usc billionaire yacht when the news broke
03-14-2019 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
If you're a socialist who believes that the only thing that will improve society is overthrowing capitalism (which nobody knows how to do) then it is excellent.

Otherwise we should care about the motives of our politicians. I think Birdman even threw out the idea of having our representatives be chosen at random which I think is an intriguing way of eliminating special interests.

Unfortunately though having people with pure motives is not enough. They also have to have good policies.
I think there are a good # of people who still believe "slow and steady wins the race" is the best policy - this is the group of people I think would actually benefit from reading posts like his. Clearly he (or I) isn't trying to reach anyone who doesn't even think it's a good idea by posting something like that.

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Conservative synogauges today have
Women rabbis
Women Cantors
Women wear talit and kippot
The word lord and king were replaced by creator and ruler
Added women's names to prayers (Abraham Iassac and Jacob now have sarah Rebecca leah too in the amidah)
Many make 2nd day of holidays optional
Most will turn off lights on shabbat
Services are generally shorter
Mixed marriages are accepted
Not having a Jewish mother doesn't make you a gentile

My point being they have modernized and become more inclusive
And it's possibly helped

But i don't think modernizing by criticizing Israel would be helpful
Most people wouldn't call allowing women basic rights 'modernized' but I guess it just goes to show how out of date/touch Conservative and Orthodox Judaism really is with everyone but themselves
03-14-2019 , 12:47 PM
In before mets whatabouts with other religions and how they are more backwards.
03-14-2019 , 12:54 PM
They don’t just overlook a hamburger, crossnerd

03-14-2019 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bsball8806
Most people wouldn't call allowing women basic rights 'modernized' but I guess it just goes to show how out of date/touch Conservative and Orthodox Judaism really is with everyone but themselves
Also, just from personal experience, "mixed" marriages are def not "accepted".

We can mad lib.

As a non-Jew married to a Jew, I have been treated ________ by anti-miscegenist Jews in our community.

[ ] well
[ ] poorly

Here's a T/F.

Throughtout my time dating and being married to my Jewish husband, MANY older Jews have repeatedly pressured him to meet and date "nice Jewish girls" behind my back, to the point of it being outright uncomfortable.

And here's just an anecdote.

I went to a gf's kid's bat mitzvah and several conservative women outright refused to acknowledge or speak to me. Like, I would say basic courtesies, and they would turn away from me and act like they didn't hear.

This is from a community I love!

Bsball is making solid points about the older religious communities.. They alienate the younger generations who would be their natural allies. I'll support the Jewish community until the day I die, but their treatment of non-jews is not above critique IMHO.
03-14-2019 , 02:17 PM
Meanwhile, all our friends are secular, date/marry whoever they want, and never talk about events from 3000 yrs ago when discussing Israel. Its like two completely different experiences. My surprise level is ~0 that there's a split in the community re Israel. Its right down the line between boomers and millenials.
03-14-2019 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Meanwhile, all our friends are secular, date/marry whoever they want, and never talk about events from 3000 yrs ago when discussing Israel. Its like two completely different experiences. My surprise level is ~0 that there's a split in the community re Israel. Its right down the line between boomers and millenials.
Yeah this is pretty much spot on with my experience as well. Very few millenials want to actually hear something from biblical times that *totally happened* used as the sole reason for why we should do something in 2019, whereas plenty of the older generation seems for whatever reason willing to accept this as a totally normal thing.

It's fine that the Jewish community (really, this applies to many religions but I'm going to guess that as a minority religion this is far more the case) is starting to embrace differences but surely mets can see that even this progress far lags behind that which the younger generation demands of its institutions.

My rabbi, who was literally this person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Perlin (first female rabbi in America to start her own congregation), denounced gay marriage but allowed lesbian marriage until like 2012 or something because it was "in the bible". You're telling me that this is progressive?
03-14-2019 , 02:34 PM
The problem is that for half the Jewish pop, the Israel discussion is a primarily religious one, and for the other half it isn't. Now what.

We can have this discussion all day with mets, but in the end we're speaking different languages.
03-14-2019 , 02:37 PM
i've gone to passovers and bar mitzvas and jewish weddings, and been mildly discriminated against for being non jew. but no more than when i'm a guest at whatever functions of basically any other group

atheists discriminate too, and vegans. i'd say vegans discriminate worse than jews. i just mean in terms of passover type events. i don't mean in terms of genocide of palestine.

vegans are becoming more tolerant of non vegans these days though
03-14-2019 , 02:45 PM
And there's been this weird discussion about jews on the political spectrum which also seems pretty cut and dry along the same split.. All the secular younger jews I know are democrats, and basically all their parents who are religious are republicans, which, when it comes to religion, seems super standard..
03-14-2019 , 02:57 PM
Jews voted 75%+ democratic in the midterms, more than any other religious group.

This should tell you something about the state of our community. Its modernizing fast.

Trump is claiming that anti-Israel policies are making jews flee the democratic party. Meanwhile, 100% of the jewish senators are democrats, and 25/27 jewish congressmen are democrats.

The arguments for who has a sacred claim to which rock or wall or temple are quickly becoming things our generation doesn't ****ing care about dying over.
03-14-2019 , 03:30 PM
MEANWHILE

How much do want to bet this was perpetrated by a MAGAt?

RBG poster vandalized with the words "DIE JEW" and swastika

You want to look for anti-semitism? Look for it within the party whose leader said the nazis who chanted "jews will not replace us" contained "very fine people".
03-14-2019 , 04:16 PM
There is a super long list of hate crime hoaxes since Trump was elected that you can google about fwiw
03-14-2019 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
There is a super long list of hate crime hoaxes since Trump was elected that you can google about fwiw
I don't think this make the point you're going for.

If true, it'd just mean that type of behavior is so associated with the far right that it can be duplicated with the safe assumption that blame will be placed on the group that most often exhibits those behaviors. Thats why it works.

      
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