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Crazy that poor New Yorkers don’t see the value of paying Amazon $40,000 for each job they create that would never be filled by anyone already living in NYC

02-16-2019 , 04:51 AM

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Guess the gentrification of a bunch of poor neighborhoods will have to get out off a few more years!

02-16-2019 , 04:59 AM

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birdman, do you think bobby kennedy was legit at the end? i don't know much about it, but he seemed like he was the real deal at the end. he was a scum AG earlier, but when he was about to be president it seemed like he was legit down to help poor people

I’m not an expert but I can’t imagine he was that great. Like isn’t he famous for convincing people not to cause trouble when the FBI assasinated MLk?

02-16-2019 , 05:17 AM

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I’m not an expert but I can’t imagine he was that great. Like isn’t he famous for convincing people not to cause trouble when the FBI assasinated MLk?

i didn't know about the calming people after mlk assassination. but yeah, you're probably right. he couldn't have been THAT great. but probably would have been way way better than our average president, which isn't saying much.

i have a vague memory of him being pretty sleazy before jfk assassination, but then changing a lot. i don't remember my source, probably some pbs propaganda.

did you see oliver stone's docu series about the history of usa? i watched the first half of it. it was pretty entertaining. i vaguely remember him saying something like russia/stalin was the hero of ww2 lol

02-16-2019 , 05:18 AM

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i do remember oliver stone saying that jfk was a total madman during cuba missile crisis and almost destroyed the world with his bs. i liked that take on it, which i had never heard before.

02-16-2019 , 08:01 AM

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i agree that it as unconstitutional as Dacca

Why do you always have to bring up unrelated stuff? Why can't you just say "yeah, that's unconstitutional"?

And your equivalence is nowhere near accurate, because:

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no

DACA was a policy exercising executive discretion

this is a paralegislative appropriation attempt

02-16-2019 , 08:10 AM

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Crazy that poor New Yorkers don’t see the value of paying Amazon $40,000 for each job they create that would never be filled by anyone already living in NYC

This.

And it's probably much more than $40K. Was there any kind of guarantee of 25K jobs? Remember Foxconn in Wisconsin? How many jobs was that supposed to create?

Now Amazon seems to just be scrapping the whole thing entirely. How important were these 25K jobs to Amazon if they can't just put them somewhere else?

Also I'm seeing 2 bedroom condos in LIC going for over a million dollars. This would only get worse if there were 25K more high salary jobs. How would this project help someone who was a third grade teacher or a bookstore manager or a bartender whose rent would skyrocket?

02-16-2019 , 10:35 AM

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maybe with less plastic

Or your country turns into Venezuela

02-16-2019 , 10:39 AM

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This.

And it's probably much more than $40K. Was there any kind of guarantee of 25K jobs? Remember Foxconn in Wisconsin? How many jobs was that supposed to create?
Now Amazon seems to just be scrapping the whole thing entirely. How important were these 25K jobs to Amazon if they can't just put them somewhere else?
Also I'm seeing 2 bedroom condos in LIC going for over a million dollars. This would only get worse if there were 25K more high salary jobs. How would this project help someone who was a third grade teacher or a bookstore manager or a bartender whose rent would skyrocket?

If there aren't going to be the 25k jobs then you won't have all the problems from them. You are trying to have it both ways.
Amazon has two other areas they are expanding. Virginia and somewhere else nearby..I think Tennessee.

02-16-2019 , 10:48 AM

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i do remember oliver stone saying that jfk was a total madman during cuba missile crisis and almost destroyed the world with his bs. i liked that take on it, which i had never heard before.

The same Oliver Stone who makes a bunch of propaganda movies for the establishment about things like the jfk assassination and 9/11? You like his take?

02-16-2019 , 10:57 AM

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Luckbox, how does a giant, Seattle-based company, with increasing international reach, opening an an east-coast HQ in any way comport with your "local autonomy" ideology?

02-16-2019 , 11:00 AM

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Luckbox, how does a giant, Seattle-based company, with increasing international reach, opening an an east-coast HQ in any way comport with your "local autonomy" ideology?

I don't have a problem with new yorkers saying no to Amazon if that is what you are asking. Not sure.

I just think the infighting within the left is hilarious and that their messaging (optics) is horrible on this issue and that aoc looks like an idiot for thinking the 3 billion can now go to teachers and firefighters.

02-16-2019 , 11:46 AM

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I just think the infighting within the right is hilarious and that their messaging (optics) is horrible on this issue and that Trump looks like an idiot

would it be hypocritical of you not to share the above attitude?

02-16-2019 , 11:50 AM

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would it be hypocritical of you not to share the above attitude?

On what issue? (Or I can just agree with you to save you the trouble).

02-16-2019 , 12:08 PM

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The fascinating thing to me is that one person effectively killed the Amazon NYC deal.

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02-16-2019 , 01:17 PM

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Why did you put the second half of your post in spoilers?

02-16-2019 , 01:19 PM

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aoc looks like an idiot for thinking the 3 billion can now go to teachers and firefighters.

Why do you think it can go to Bezos but not to a teacher?

02-16-2019 , 01:22 PM

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Why do you think it can go to Bezos but not to a teacher?

Because the 3 billion exists in theory as tax credits?

This isn't hard to understand.

Like they aren't giving amazon 3 billion. They are saving amazon 3 billion in order to encourage them to move there.

02-16-2019 , 01:28 PM

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I mean I suppose they could theoretically give the teachers that much in tax credits and then teachers never have to pay taxes again. It would be the same as giving them a raise.

02-16-2019 , 01:34 PM

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I mean I suppose they could theoretically give the teachers that much in tax credits and then teachers never have to pay taxes again. It would be the same as giving them a raise.

Glad you managed to get here on your own and didn’t make me explain it to you

And this is only one way. You could also provide public benefits, investment in infrastructure, etc

02-16-2019 , 01:39 PM

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Glad you managed to get here on your own and didn’t make me explain it to you

And this is only one way. You could also provide public benefits, investment in infrastructure, etc

And if they had the tax base that amazon would have provided they could afford all that too.

02-16-2019 , 01:45 PM

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Why did you put the second half of your post in spoilers?

Why not? Because it felt right and I went with it.

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Anyway, lol Bill De Blasio, lol Andrew Cuomo, lol all you boot licking NY corporate lackeys. You have no future the wave of the poor and resentful is upon you.

02-16-2019 , 03:05 PM

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How much do you guys think Amazon is going to get when they set up shop in Jersey City instead?

02-16-2019 , 03:05 PM

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Glad you managed to get here on your own and didn’t make me explain it to you

And this is only one way. You could also provide public benefits, investment in infrastructure, etc

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And if they had the tax base that amazon would have provided they could afford all that too.

And this really gets to the crux of it btw and how amazing it is that aoc has a degree in economics.

Is it the argument that this is a bad deal financially for New York (city and/or state)?

And forget the people for a second because that can be a separate argument, but from a purely financial prospective is it a bad deal? New York "spends 3 billion on amazon that it doesn't get back in return"?

That is the argument that has been made which is really one of the dumbest things in a while that otherwise smart people have made.