here, luckbox, you are being hypocritical

first, when you say Trump's "hands were tied" but Obama was simply a neocon

and second, when you say "we shouldn't support AOC because she gets attention" when you are on record trusting Trump while he got the same (more, really) attention

and then you continued arguing against AOC for the same reason

And this is why I say you didn't understand my response to him.

I am saying "AOC is a wolf because the media loves her and gives her all sorts of attention for free and because the revolution won't be televised"

Vaya says: "the media created Trump".

I say: "yes you are right". Which is to say that I think a lot of what we are seeing between Trump and the media/establishment is an act. I don't like to talk about this too much because while it is defendable it isn't easily defendable without introducing let's say other controversial peices of evidence.

You see. Vaya didn't make an argument against my reasoning. He simply applied it to Trump which I agree with him on.

I think this is actually you being dense and at the very least you need to hear people out before you accuse them of hypocriticism.
You are wrong on aoc/Trump and your logic on Syria is incredibly weak.

Go on...

One person inherited the Syrian situation and bombed them once after there was an attack, while the other became president and watched as Qatar/Saudi funded isis expanded throughout the region to take out non-Sunni states.
You then say I am hypocritical there when I say there is a difference?
Has AOC ever called the media the enemy of the people? Was it wrong in thinking that that meant something? Yes I was but it isn't hypocriticism.

Also fwiw i am not on record trusting Trump as I have always had misgivings due to his bellicosity on Iran amongst other things.

I will have to think about how to present it. Given that the vast majority of you think that the mainstream media is full of autonomous free thinkers, it won't be an easy sell.

Why do I have a feeling whatever the bolded is is super racist?

Imo Dustin is right. Your haphazard applications of “whataboutism” and “hypocrisy” itt is a common rhetorical failing of yours, and most of your approaches to arguments look perfomative for a less inciteful audience.

Taking the example you used, you deflect the criticism of hypocrisy of liberals by saying something like “well I/we never said we agreed with all Obama’s policies!” As if your opposition to trumps fascism is equivalent to your opposition to Obama’s when it clearly isn’t. Casually mentioning itt years later that “maybe Obama wasn’t perfect” is hardly the same level of vitriol you have rightly saved for Trump. The amount of priority you have assigned to getting Trump out of office is in no way equivalent to the amount of priority you assigned to Obama.

And when the issue of funding ICE came up wrt AOCs vote you were all ready with a bunch of totally bull**** nuance. It makes it seem like you care about “beating Trump” not about the actual issues.

Another great example is the big deal people have made about Russia interfering in US elections. Filthy and I hate both pointed out how hypocritical it is for Americans to complain about that. Eyeboger and others were quick to points out

1) the American government isn’t the American people
2)”who said I agreed when American has interfered in other countries elections”

Number two of course is a repeat of the previous example. So easy to pay useless lip service to something that happened years ago. So all those people who allegedly care about election interference whether it is America doing it or not—where is your outrage over Venezuela? Not only are people like Eyeboger not expresssing outrage. You are actually in here defending the interference. This is an elections that was determined to be free and fair by multiple international observers and you are ok interfering because it is for the greater good or whatever your argument is.

Anyone seen Master condemn what is happening in VZ? Eyeboger? IANAW? Amp?

Um mm

Go **** yourself?

Could be because you like race-baiting?

I'd guess maybe it is projection.

I mean at one point Kokiri I think put Obama in his top 10 presidents in US history and we are supposed to beleive he thought Obama locking up kids in cages was bad?

I mean, i guess alternatively it could just be really ****ing stupid.

Think you missed something bud.

Fwiw, I am not anywhere well versed enough on Venezuela to have a well informed opinion.

Convenient.

People become well versed in this things they care about so all this means is you don’t give a **** about the fact that the US is couping a democratically elected government in the global south because it helps rich people.

Remember all those times you told me it’s possible to care about more than one thing at once? And I said that electoral politics and the lesser of two evils logic sucks all political energy into it and distracts you from focusing on other stuff? Case and point. We are talking about a presidential election two years from now instead of a coup happening right now.

Master weren’t you the one who brought up the other day how a few air traffic controllers managed to bring and end to the government shut down? All without casting a single vote? All the political analysis that the corporate media devoted to it and all the discussion of compromises etc etc and all it took was a few people not showing up to work.

If people care about fighting trump, people should be talking about that and figuring out how to repeat it again and again

Agreed. And those people werent being paid, so what did they have to lose at that point?

Again, your ****ing privelage shines right out of your puckered tight *******. A general strike seems to be the only way you suggest for your plan to work, but you have no solutions for the people living paycheck to paycheck who literally cannot afford to do what you suggest.

lol

Quite

Who are your top 10 presidents in US history?

"There were no good US Presidents. Have you ever studied William Henry Harrisons foreign policy? What a capitalistic jingoist. And dont get me started on Millard Fillmore. He never even once mentioned a general strike. Nothing but elitest scumbags up and down the line."

I understand the point you are making. But this was not Kokiri reluctantly being like “Obama did some outright evil and fascist things but he was the least bad among a long line of fascists and war criminals”

Giving you a top 10 US presidents would be like you asking me who the to rank the top 10 best country singers. It would be based on things that aren’t really relevant to the discussion at hand.

yes, look at all these rich people who will benefit from this: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKCN1G52HA