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01-28-2019 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
The US has been and remains Venezuela's number one trading partner. The US accounts for 34% of Venezuelan exports.

61% of that is Miguel Cabrera tho
01-28-2019 , 05:03 PM
For Dustin:

01-28-2019 , 05:09 PM
What part of me seeing Venezuelan refuge camps personally is being missed?

And i read her article a few days ago.
01-28-2019 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
What part of me seeing Venezuelan refuge camps personally is being missed?
Do you have a citation for this or something?
01-28-2019 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Do you have a citation for this or something?
I need one?
01-28-2019 , 05:55 PM
citations are too idealistic

what you should be looking for instead are the material conditions perpetrating the class struggle represented in the inherently antagonistic system of citational referencing as a practice and the resulting exploitation of the creative laborers whose works are seized by the very class of catalogers who deny them their individual opportunities to reference themselves organically, expressively, and, most importantly, socially
01-28-2019 , 05:59 PM



behold, the face of the enemy
01-28-2019 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I need one?
Like earlier you said something vague about seeing homeless Venezuelans in Columbia now you are talking about refugee camps. Far be it for me to call you an unreliable narrator, but do you have something beyond your personal observations you can offer on the matter?
01-28-2019 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
citations are too idealistic

what you should be looking for instead are the material conditions perpetrating the class struggle represented in the inherently antagonistic system of citational referencing as a practice and the resulting exploitation of the creative laborers whose works are seized by the very class of catalogers who deny them their individual opportunities to reference themselves organically, expressively, and, most importantly, socially
Do you remember that time WN and I spent like two hours trying to teach you what the difference between idealism and materialism were and you ended up still not getting it?

That was funny
01-28-2019 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Like earlier you said something vague about seeing homeless Venezuelans in Columbia now you are talking about refugee camps. Far be it for me to call you an unreliable narrator, but do you have something beyond your personal observations you can offer on the matter?
This video from a few days ago shows the police breaking up the camp that i saw in Cali in November. When i said homeless earlier i misspoke. Homeless has a certain connotation of people who are crazy and addicted to drugs. That is not these people. They are refuges.

https://youtu.be/W-j9QTFFJdc
01-28-2019 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
This video from a few days ago shows the police breaking up the camp that i saw in Cali in November. When i said homeless earlier i misspoke. Homeless has a certain connotation of people who are crazy and addicted to drugs. That is not these people. They are refuges.

https://youtu.be/W-j9QTFFJdc
So I just want to make sure I understand you—that video is, in your mind, evidence that justifies a US backed coup in Venezuela?
01-28-2019 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
So I just want to make sure I understand you—that video is, in your mind, evidence that justifies a US backed coup in Venezuela?
You asked me for some sort of proof or something that I saw destitute Venezuelans in Colombia. I don't have that but this video does in fact show a camp that I rode by. I do not take it as proof that it justifies a US backed coup although an argument could be made that it justifies a Colombian one.

I only talk about my own experiences because you seem to be under the impression that I am being influenced by propaganda which I find annoying.
01-28-2019 , 10:57 PM
Birdman:

What is more important? The continued survival of the regime or the prospects of the people of Venezuela?

I hope you'll answer the latter and probably argue that Venezuela is better off with Maduro.

I asked last night how strongly convinced you were that your "democracy is functioning in Venezuela" narrative was correct. But there are a number of reasons to think otherwise as I'm reading. In 2017 Maduro created a parallel "constitutional" assembly that then stripped power from the national assembly of which Gauidó is the head. Then Maduro's new assembly called for elections when the opposition was divided and partly jailed. The election was boycotted by the opposition and had low turnout. I'm sure we can litigate all of this if you want. But I don't think that democracy is functioning in Venezuela as well as you think.

Furthermore it seems unfathomable to me that the majority could actually continue to support the regime when the quality of life there has plummeted and people are upending their lives for a better life elsewhere.

You can be sure that if I had travelled to South America and not seen evidence of a mass human tragedy occurring then I would be in this thread denouncing US imperialism with you. And I don't pretend like the motives of any Trump administration actions aren't completely imperialistic now. But as I've tried to argue, that isn't really the point and that you need to put people ahead of ideology.
01-29-2019 , 04:52 AM
the MSM reporting, luckbox, is it more or less consistent with your observations and conclusions re: VZ?
01-29-2019 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
the MSM reporting, luckbox, is it more or less consistent with your observations and conclusions re: VZ?
Difficult to say. I haven't been there obviously so what conditions are actually like in Venezuela idk*. The only thing that I can attest to is that there is evidence of a large Venezuelan diaspora and I'm sure they are getting that right.

*I heard of one girl (probably a German) who wanted to go to Venezuela and she was turned away at the border and told that she would be robbed or worse within 100 meters of continuing.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 01-29-2019 at 11:54 AM.
01-29-2019 , 05:13 PM
The shine coming off Kamala Harris real fast
01-29-2019 , 05:19 PM
even some of my lame friends see the fascist in her
01-29-2019 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
even some of my lame friends see the fascist in her
Just today she came out in support of the green new deal. I think you should give her a chance.
01-29-2019 , 05:45 PM
Thoughts on Stacey Abrams giving the SOTU response?
01-29-2019 , 08:06 PM
Excited for Donnie the Dove, the Peace Candidate, to invade Venezuela

Last edited by vaya; 01-29-2019 at 08:23 PM.
01-29-2019 , 10:01 PM
Kamala Harris back-pedaling on her support for medical for all
01-29-2019 , 10:01 PM
Why do Democrats suck so much?

How hard is it to hold a position you know people get excited about?
01-29-2019 , 10:02 PM
I guess she is probably worrying about jeopardizing her funding this early on
01-29-2019 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Why do Democrats suck so much?

How hard is it to hold a position you know people get excited about?
Why does your president suck so much?
01-30-2019 , 04:28 AM
at the poker table tonight these guys were going on and on about apple stock. i finally said "they'll probably keep making a good profit as long as they keep their workers so miserable they commit suicide"

one of the guys had no idea that factory workers in china killed themselves from misery.

also tonight at the table one guy was saying "usa is the greatest at everything". i said "yeah, usa is greatest at pollution, war, and prison" and another guy said "and we have the best president"

      
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