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01-23-2019 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
Dustin's stance in this whole mess is particularly confounding given that the Trump administration is backing the coup.
One might make the same observation about you, only inverted.
01-23-2019 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Incidentally AOC is the "televised" revolution and the fact that she is "televised" is how you know that she really isn't fighting for the people. (Regardless of anything else she does with votes or rhetoric)
Trump was probably given more free media than anyone in the history of the world
01-23-2019 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by vaya
Trump was probably given more free media than anyone in the history of the world
And perhaps you can say the same about Trump as you can for AOC.
01-23-2019 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Do you think the US imposed trade sanctions may play a part?
No.
01-23-2019 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
One might make the same observation about you, only inverted.
I didn't express any stance.
01-23-2019 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
I didn't express any stance.
Only as much as Dustin did.
01-23-2019 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
No.
So what is your explanation for these alleged food shortages?
01-24-2019 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
So what is your explanation for these alleged food shortages?
There was a girl on YouTube I saw who was showing what it was like in the stores in Venezuela and the prices of things and what was available. I'll see if I can find it again. Clearly though people are fleeing Venezuela and if it isn't for food insecurity then idk what else would cause families with small kids to abandon their lives to live in tent cities in Colombia.

I had read somewhere that even some of the native tribes were suffering with food issues. There legitimately is a large human tragedy that is happening there.
01-24-2019 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
if it isn't for food insecurity then idk what else would cause families with small kids to abandon their lives to live in tent cities in Colombia.
Well there are obviously issues with some of the food items, but do you think the fact that a hostile foreign power has been attempting a coup there for decades may have something to do with it? Or violent, fascist opposition groups sponsored by the National bourgeoisie and the US terrorizing people living there?
01-24-2019 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Well there are obviously issues with some of the food items, but do you think the fact that a hostile foreign power has been attempting a coup there for decades may have something to do with it? Or violent, fascist opposition groups sponsored by the National bourgeoisie and the US terrorizing people living there?
I think that is an important narrative but I don't think it is the whole story. Cuba hasn't had hyperinflation or the sort of economic collapse that Venezuela had. And it isn't like Venezuela hasn't been getting assistance from Russia/China in the form of loans now--so they aren't completely isolated either.

https://youtu.be/kU-OXE4rndE
Video showing prices of things from last year. So a bunch of food. But you have to use a card for everything at the supermarket. Later in the video he shows a cash only market with people counting out a bunch of bills. And I'm sure tons of Venezuelans don't have credit cards. I read in the comments that WoW money is worth more.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 01-24-2019 at 12:54 AM.
01-24-2019 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I think that is an important narrative but I don't think it is the whole story. Cuba hasn't had hyperinflation or the sort of economic collapse that Venezuela had. And it isn't like Venezuela hasn't been getting assistance from Russia/China in the form of loans now--so they aren't completely isolated either.
95% of VZ's economy is oil
01-24-2019 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
95% of VZ's economy is oil
Which should make them super rich and powerful but instead it has ruined them.
01-24-2019 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Which should make them super rich and powerful but instead it has ruined them.
Do you know like 5% about economics or is it all the way zero?
01-24-2019 , 01:32 AM
Do you want me to circle where things went bad for VZ or do you see the issue?

01-24-2019 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Do you know like 5% about economics or is it all the way zero?
The countries around Venezuela have zero oil*.They are doing better because they did not make themselves fully dependent on oil as that is impossible. The oil should be a bonus, not the whole basis of the economy. Certainly they can grow things in Venezuela just as well as they can elsewhere in South America.

*Brazil it looks does have a decent amount of oil and Colombia produces something like 500 kbpd.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 01-24-2019 at 01:48 AM.
01-24-2019 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
The countries around Venezuela have zero oil. They are doing better because they did not make themselves fully dependent on oil as that is impossible. The oil should be a bonus, not the whole basis of the economy. Certainly they can grow things in Venezuela just as well as they can elsewhere in South America.
Dude it is economic warfare. Do you really think the price of oil just drops out of the blue?
01-24-2019 , 01:55 AM
I won't assume that the oil market isn't manipulated--I'm sure it is--but it looks like from the graph that prices were high and came back down to where they should be.
01-24-2019 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I won't assume that the oil market isn't manipulated--I'm sure it is--but it looks like from the graph that prices were high and came back down to where they should be.
That isn't how oil prices work
01-24-2019 , 04:27 AM
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was the only House Democrat to vote against a bill to fund the government and end the partial government shutdown on Wednesday.

The progressive New York Democrat said she broke from her party because she didn't want to allocate any funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which she campaigned on eliminating.

"Most of our votes are pretty straightforward, but today was a tough/nuanced call," she wrote in an Instagram story. "We didn't vote with the party because one of the spending bills included ICE funding, and our community felt strongly about not funding that."

The bill — which was supported by 223 Democrats and six Republicans, and opposed by 183 Republicans — would fund the federal government through February 28. The shutdown, the longest in history, is now on its 33rd day and has left 800,000 federal workers without pay.
im impressed
01-24-2019 , 10:54 AM
I’d love to know what all the liberal concern trolls think of that now? Is it still the stupid idea they told me it was yesterday?
01-24-2019 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
im impressed
Good job AOC, voting with 183 Republicans. And the use of "we" in her explanation is very encouraging.


On a completely unrelated subject, I thought this long read on the post-work future was kinda interesting. One thing about the radiant future that I'm not too excited about:

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With people having more time, and probably less money, private life could also become more communal, she suggests, with families sharing kitchens, domestic appliances, and larger facilities. “There have been examples of this before,” she says, “like ‘Red Vienna’ in the early 20th century, when the [social democratic] city government built housing estates with communal laundries, workshops, and shared living spaces that were quite luxurious.”
Satre had it right, hell is other people.
01-24-2019 , 11:07 AM
- "AOC is a fraud. She's not even willing to vote against funding ICE lololololol."

- "AOC just voted against funding ICE."

- "Hey, now where are all you guys who told me I was wrong, HUH? lololololol. OWNED!!1"
01-24-2019 , 11:48 AM
If that post is directed at me
Spoiler:
I apologize for not putting my reply to filthy in 36 point comic sans, that appears to be the only way to make it sufficiently obvious that it was not serious.
01-24-2019 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
That isn't how oil prices work
[Img]file:///storage/emulated/0/Download/crude-oil-price-history-chart-2019-01-24-macrotrends.png[/img]

Yeah I think you're right. But however you are saying they work is also likely not how they work

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...s-In-2019.html

Clearly though there is a lot of variance so using the collapse in oil prices as evidence of economic warfare against Venezuela seems shakey. Which again I'm not arguing that there hasn't been economic warfare.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 01-24-2019 at 12:21 PM.
01-24-2019 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
- "AOC is a fraud. She's not even willing to vote against funding ICE lololololol."

- "AOC just voted against funding ICE."

- "Hey, now where are all you guys who told me I was wrong, HUH? lololololol. OWNED!!1"
I criticized AOC for making a bad decision. I don’t really understand your take, do you still disagree with me that it was a bad decision for her to vote for a funding bill that funds ICE or not? What do you think changed?

Her most recent vote merely shows me that she came around and ended up doing the right thing and clearly made a mistake when she voted for the funding the first time. I’m guessing because she got heat for it no thanks to liberals like itt.

      
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