I know you are a smart guy, I want to make that clear. But you do know how stupid this post (and the 10+ similar to it that you have made) make you sound right? I even politiely addressed it the first few times you made it.

i understand why she voted for pelosi. it was a compromise. and i do like compromising. but voting for pelosi is way too much. way way way too much. pelosi stands for horrible nightmare evil.

ideally, aoc or anyone else, would stand up to our system of normalized nightmare evil. i don't know if there was somone better to vote for, but she at least could have said "i refuse to vote for pelosi because x, y, and z. we need to do a lot better than pelosi if we are going to live in a just world, or even live in a world at all. the pelosis are leading us off a cliff. i'm not going to vote for someone who is just gonna lead us off the cliff a little more gently"

pros:

millions of people who know and understand that our mega wealthy leaders are f*cking us over will see that we have an ally and a representative in aoc

she will be voting(not voting) for what is best

she will be separating from business as usual politics/govt that we all despise

she will actually be representing working class people like she claims


cons:

blowback from all politicians. powerful house speaker nancy pelosi will see her as an enemy who can't be worked with

i know you guys largely think me and birdman are idiots. but come on, he makes an excellent point about taking a stand over 5 billion for border wall, but caving on ICE????? that is a ridiculous position.

why compromise on ICE and not compromise on border wall?

And as others have pointed out, this was a one month spending bill as oppossed to a multi-generational money sink that voting for the wall would turn into.

Watching filthy's hope and optimism being stolen from him is heartbreaking. Don't give up the fight man, AOC is a breath of fresh air.

She just said yesterday that we all only have 12 years to live.

birdman is a terrible influence!!!

i still have an open mind about aoc. i hate that she voted for pelosi and funding ICE, but i still have hope. she has at least shifted the conversation to the left

Your arguments are making less and less sense the more you post.

The fact that her vote was “meaningless” makes it all the more absurd that she voted to fund ICE when she could have at least made a show of principles voting AT NO COST

The fact that it was “only a one month” spending bill is all the less reason to support it. If instead it was a 10 year resolution you’d be making the opposite argument you are now. “Birdman, a massive 10 year bill is not the time to be making idealist stands”. Funny how that works.

Also lol that you call the Wall a money pit as you compare it to ICE?! Talk about not being tethered to reality.

The bottom line, and the reason you will twist yourself into a pretzel attempting to defend a DHS shutdown to in name of stopping Trumps wall but NOT in the name of stopping the openly white supremacist, violent, fascist ICE is because you don’t actually care about these issues beyond the corporate Dems winning political points over the GOP and Donald Trump

I continue to learn things about the way the legislative branch of the US government operates. I didn't know that the senate could make it's own bills, vote on them, and then send them to the President. I just assumed that the senate could only vote of stuff sent to them after passing in the house (or send it back for amendments that would lead to it passing in the senate).

McConnell wont put any of the house approved bills on the floor for a vote, yet the senate can make their own proposals/bills and put them on the senate floor for a vote??? This seems odd..

AOC is how capitalism saves itself. At least for a little while.

A bill can start in either the house or the Senate but approval from both chambers is necessary before a bill is sent to the president. So the senate can't just pass a bill and send it to the President without the house also passing it.

thx Luckbox

Actually technically I'm wrong. A bill can only start in the house. In the senate they are called resolutions.

http://joshblackman.com/blog/2017/02...-a-resolution/

Or that might be wrong too.

I wonder what the final straw will be when filthy’s disillusionment re AOC becomes complete.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ercover-us-spy

I was pretty sure there was more with the Sater thing and obviously take this with a large grain of salt given the source. Old article but it does seem reasonable to assume that Sater has worked as an informant for more than just the last year which was the impression from the vanity Fair article.

Are you under the impression that I think we should fund ICE?

when she starts campaigning for the hawk bernie sanders, that's gonna be hard to take

Filthy you know you could always adopt Gabbard? Everyone seems to hate her. We learned with Trump that doesn't automatically make her good, but it is a good look.

Who here thinks birdman actually read the "funding ice" bill before he came in here to scoff at and degrade the woman loudly raising public concern for the things he wants to solve ... extra-procedurally?

Who thinks he read it after getting pushback?

Who thinks he'll ever actually read it?

Pelosi vote does seem like a deal with the devil for a GND committee.

Looks like AOC also just voted for a house bill reiterating US support for NATO. Dang she is on a roll!

lol

Now it all makes sense to me.

Wait, hold up. Guiliani isn't being paid by Trump?!

1) Why did I not know this until now?

2) What the hell? It's difficult enough understanding why someone would ever work for Trump, but what on earth could possibly possess someone to do so without being paid?

making the most of a foregone conclusion, imo


G still gets publicity and the feeling of relevance, plus maybe favors in the future