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Old 02-18-2018, 11:11 PM   #126
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Re: POG Politics Thread

I'm hearing that Trump ordered the FBI to stand down and let the school shooting happen in order to distract from the Russia investigation
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Old 02-18-2018, 11:35 PM   #127
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i heard russian agents carried out the school shooting, in cooperation with trump, to distract from russia investigation AND to divide the country on gun control argument. devious bastards

and/or they psychologically manipulated the kid into carrying out the shooting
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Old 02-18-2018, 11:41 PM   #128
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I heard that the planning of it took place on Hillary's email servers between Ben Ghazi and Yuri Aniumun
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Old 02-18-2018, 11:43 PM   #129
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nope. only republicans conspire with russians. democrats are pure as the driven snow
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:22 AM   #130
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I've been giving thought to the conspiracy posting issue and this is my ruling:

1) Luckbox will be entitled to a Sandy Hook discussion and it may continue until all parties (or all but one person) consider it concluded.

2) Until the Sandy Hook discussion takes place and is concluded, Luckbox will not make any posts which allege or hint at any sort of conspiracy (anything which is widely considered untrue). He may respond to questions asked of him directly, he may discuss general aspects of his political philosophies, he may refer to the existence of conspiracy theories in a neutral way which would not invite response, and he may participate fully on issues where he can express himself without relying on things widely considered untrue. Anything which has widespread or partisan support, such as the Russia investigation being a witch hunt, is fair game.

3) More generally, Luckbox will make an effort to find a posting style which allows him to contribute his thoughts without others feeling that he's overpowering the discussion (being the one to always "drive the narrative").

4) For the time being, any further feedback or complaint about this issue/Luckbox's posting should be sent to me *only* by PM so as to avoid further derails.

5) After the Sandy Hook discussion we'll see where things stand and take it from there.
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:38 AM   #131
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what kind of an actor is gonna take a job as a conspiracy crisis actor? you'd never be able to book a regular job after that

and what were the conspirators thinking? "hey there are a bazillion mass school shootings, but let's do a fake one! that way we can have a bazillion and one!"
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:52 AM   #132
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I'm just saying, Dustin created this thread with the face
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Old 02-19-2018, 04:02 AM   #133
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Bloo, the trick to effective estate taxation is penetrating intervivos transfers like living/springing trusts.

If you have an idea how to crack that nut, please share!
See idk about American trust law, but in the UK you have to pay capital gains tax when you transfer assets into a trust, and IHT on the trust depending on the length of time between assets being transferred and death (in common with IHT in general).

Was a relatively recent change, but as far as I can tell should fix the issue going forward, albeit not for assets already in trust.

Trust law is an area I don't know tonnes on though, so I'm sure someone's already found some loophole.
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:38 AM   #134
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So now we are talking about the talking about conspiracy theories.....that is even less interesting than talking about Dusty's latest tinfoil.

Let's at least talk about a decent conspiracy theory...

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Old 02-19-2018, 08:42 AM   #135
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I hope to conclude the Sandy Hook discussion quickly as it was never my goal to become an expert on the subject. I don't think I need to be though--only merely to present the information in an effective way.

And these things have been done. There is a book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook by Jim Fetzer and several long documentary style films out there. If I wanted to be unfair I could start taking blocks of Fetzer's book and post them here and say "here bb have fun with this".

It is my belief though that if you can't say it in text then you don't really understand it.

There is a large amount of information to sift through although I'd guess 90% of it could be classified as irrelevant. Fortunately one thing that I don't have to sift through is anything involving crime scene photos or bullet trajectories or anything along that nature. (As they don't exist)

The biggest objection people have with conspiracy theories is that they cannot see the complete picture. Because they cannot see it they reject anything that interferes with their current big picture view of reality: this is called cognitive dissonance.

So people have these ideas that the media is independent or that there are too many people involved and all logical thought breaks down from there. I'll try to restore that in this discussion while recognizing that I'll never be able to.

As a part of a change in my thinking recently, I've come to conclude that the ptb wants conspiracies exposed.*

First why and this is a huge picture view:
The new world cannot be created without first tearing down the old world.

My reasons for thinking this don't have anything to do with Sandy Hook, but it does help to answer the objection "why would they be so stupid"? The answer is that they don't care.

My next posts should start containing photos and video of the scene around the school. I read the official report last night and like I said I'd like to get this done as quickly as possible so as to un-handcuff me in this thread.

*and there would be a lot to say here but it's beyond the scope of this discussion.

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Old 02-19-2018, 08:52 AM   #136
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I'm just saying, Dustin created this thread with the face
It was you though who put the angry face on the old thread?
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:03 AM   #137
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3) More generally, Luckbox will make an effort to find a posting style which allows him to contribute his thoughts without others feeling that he's overpowering the discussion (being the one to always "drive the narrative").
The questions below are the questions that this thread needs be looking at.

People are free to propose any other questions they want, but those are legitimate questions and some of the most important questions for our time. If I try to push the discussion it is to get it back to important topics.
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Then answer these questions too:

Does the media ever lie to push a corporate agenda?
Are both parties oftentimes in cahoots especially when it comes to foreign policy?
Are conspiracies ever true?
How many companies own 90% of the media?
Is globalism a real issue?
I could keep going.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:21 AM   #138
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I am aware of the books and videos, you talked about them the first time around. Similarly, there are books and videos arguing that the world is flat, or that we're ruled by lizard people. I don't see why you seem to think their existence lends any credence to your claims. I already gave you three links to what appear to me to be fairly thorough debunkings of most of the claims made in these:

Salon

Snopes

and

some guy who runs a blog (link won't work as it'll star out b l o g s p o t, just replace that)

As I said at the time:
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I've given you three links debunking most of the claims 'truthers' have made. Let me know what you find that isn't on those lists, or where you think the debunking isn't convincing.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:28 AM   #139
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I've given you three links debunking most of the claims 'truthers' have made. Let me know what you find that isn't on those lists, or where you think the debunking isn't convincing
When I am done saying what I have to say, I'll return to the strawmen.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:32 AM   #140
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ok but if you're about to post a load of **** that I can literally debunk just by cross-referencing it against these links I'm gonna be pretty unimpressed

(also lol at calling them strawmen when I doubt you've even clicked on more than one of them)
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:42 AM   #141
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ok but if you're about to post a load of **** that I can literally debunk just by cross-referencing it against these links I'm gonna be pretty unimpressed

(also lol at calling them strawmen when I doubt you've even clicked on more than one of them)
Mostly how snopes and other debunkers of true conspiracies work is by strawmen and/or focusing on red herring.

And it's important that we understand what a red-herring is because I will want to talk about some of them.

A red herring is Mohammad Atta's passport found on the streets of New York after 9/11. Everybody knows it's bull****, but it doesn't prove anything.

It is best to stay away from stuff like that which is why I don't want to address your articles first, because I would be addressing the weakest aspects of my argument.

*I've clicked on them all and even skimmed a couple (and even found the blog)
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:00 AM   #142
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Now, there is a very interesting claim that I just learned about last night.

And should you accept it it will save me the trouble of putting a lot of work in.

The claim is that some of the children from Sandy Hook sang at the super bowl halftime in 2013. It would have been just a couple months after Sandy Hook and the kids all appear older than their reported ages. I.e, the photos that were used of them were old photos.

I do not know if all of who they say is who is correct, but enough seem to be. I tried to see if this is debunked anywhere but couldn't find anything.

Now your objection will be probably "wtf they are really going to put the supposedly dead children at the halftime show??". And my answer is that we are being gas-lit.*

It is probably a mistake to come with this here from February 2013 when I should be starting with December 2012, but posting anyways.

*and there is a lot that can be said about this

https://youtu.be/SNhpOLIqG1Y

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Old 02-19-2018, 10:16 AM   #143
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I hope you realize how much of a pita ur bein itt dustbox. We already have one set of rules for everyone else and you have your own special dustbox rules.

You ever consider bein right about something and yet shutting tf up about it? I do it all the time POG Politics Thread
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:20 AM   #144
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all the lines you could have gone down and THIS is the one you go for?

anyway, no, they're 100% not correct, going 'hey, this child (who may well be a sibling of a child that died) kinda looks like this other child if you pause it at exactly the right time' is not going to convince me, no

A quick bit of googling turned up the fact that when someone paid an expert on facial recognition to look at one of the alleged children she instantly agreed they weren't the same kid.

this is all leaving aside the utter insanity of 'we're going to cover this up but then put the people involved in the coverup in front of the USA in the most public spectacle ever' which is just so unbelievably, idiotically stupid that I can't even quite believe you're giving it even the slightest bit of credibility, do you have even the slightest filter in your world as to whether something is bat**** crazy or not?
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:21 AM   #145
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I tried to come up with some conspiracies i sorta believe and the best I could come up with is new Coke.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:23 AM   #146
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Well ok Bloobird,

Like I said I just hoped that would save me the effort.

I did find that page you linked to and was disappointed they didn't actually show any pictures themselves.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:25 AM   #147
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You ever consider bein right about something and yet shutting tf up about it? I do it all the time POG Politics Thread
Yes. I'm considering it. I said yesterday that if I was forced to do this that it would be bad for the thread. But they are making me.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:32 AM   #148
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this is all leaving aside the utter insanity of 'we're going to cover this up but then put the people involved in the coverup in front of the USA in the most public spectacle ever' which is just so unbelievably, idiotically stupid that I can't even quite believe you're giving it even the slightest bit of credibility, do you have even the slightest filter in your world as to whether something is bat**** crazy or not?
I do think I should respond to this in greater detail because it involves the gas-lighting and the bigger picture, but first I need to actually get out bed and make coffee.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:35 AM   #149
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I'd much rather you focused on what you feel the crucial pieces of evidence are that point to Sandy Hook, specifically, being a cover up.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:39 AM   #150
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Well I don't think it was a "cover-up" but I get your point.
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