Just had to pay a sugar levy for a drink I don't really want. How long has that been a thing in the UK?

Upon further reflection, I wonder who the source of the video was. I don't really do conspiracy theories but if we get any kind of steady stream of really stupid attempts to "own the libs" directed at AOC I'm going to wonder if they're being put out there on purpose in order to keep her in the news.

Hey, this is kind of fun.

Mean old levy taught me to weep and moan...

Drove my Chevy to the levy, but the levy was high. Explains why the good old boys were drinking whisky and rye.

I just began reading a book on Thomas Sankara's speeches from when he came to power, red hot fist clenching is sure to commence.
(He was a Marxist revolutionary in Burkina Faso who advanced the country incredibly rapidly in a number of fields before he was assassinated just 4 years after coming to power).

He refused all foreign aid and insisted the country should be self-sufficient (which he managed to do in no time even though it was one of the poorest countries in the world at the time). He said: "he who feeds you, controls you."

The entire revolution and turnaround of the country is amazing, it's probably one of the fastest social advancement any country has seen without the help of external agents.

did you see the movie "mr smith goes to washington"? mr smith is a damn crypto fascist!!!

if you haven't seen it, a young jimmy stewart becomes a congressman and does his best to stick it to the man. pretty good film.

Sankara was amazing. He is probably one of my favorite political thinkers/leaders

I have seen it. And pretty much every widely released movies in the United States is going to be inherently fascist so no real surprise that the moral of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is ultimately a fascist one

I admire the sentiment, filthy, but “sticking it to the man” is not really any kind of useful praxis. Moreover, I think it is a stretch to suggest that what AOC is doing is “sticking it to the man”. She is working for “the man” by running his PR department.

was mr smith really fascist? i don't remember. here is how i remember it...

mr smith discovers some capitalist corruption, rich guys colluding to make a bunch of money off of public land. they try to bribe him, but he declines for the good of the people. he exposes their plot and foils their plans.

how is it fascist?


and we agree that aoc is not ideal, but refusing corporate money, and trying to get corporate money out of politics, in an effort to pass legislation that is better for the people and worse for the corporations is sticking it to the man, no?

i mean, she is trying to pass legislation in the people's interest rather than corporate interest. more so than any other politician(a very low bar). she did vote for pelosi for speaker, and she is a democrat. and she hasn't said **** about global empire. but green new deal is a big deal. healthcare, student debt, etc...

Why do you think the green new deal isn't something that is being pushed by 'the man'?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesel...reen-new-deal/

Forbes article arguing for it...and it isn't like you can't find a thousand other publications and establishment controlled think tanks and ngos arguing for action against climate change. So it's fair to say it is being pushed by exactly the people you wouldn't want to support.

When the MSM and establishment push endless war and imperialism it is because they are war mongering imperialists, right?

But when they push a 'green agenda' it is because they love the Earth and are thinking of the children?

Lol.

The "MSM and establishment" are pushing a green agenda?

Yes. Very much so. And for the last 30 years ever since global warming became a thing.

This should be obvious but since it isn't we can go through it some.

Is it your argument that they are opposed to it or that they simply ignore it or what?

http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/fea...amiento-global

Here is a World Bank article arguing that Latin America needs to adapt to climate change and there are dozens more from them like it.

How much money does the UN spend researching climate change every year? We've already discussed how much the US has spent.

It is your position that the Paris climate accord was opposed by the establishment or was some sort of grass roots lead thing? Why do you think it exists?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...e_deniers.html

Chuck Todd of MSNBC says not going to give time to deniers. He works for the same network that just had a 30 year veteran reporter quit over their support of endless war--it is all part of the same agenda: control. Control of economies, of people, and of nations.

I kinda love that Birdman and Luckbox are pushing Filthy towards something resembling reason with their insanity.

Google "Paris accord not enough"

Report back on the publications saying this, and then try and argue that the MSM isn't pushing a green agenda.

Because scientists who study this subject have outlined the dangers to the planet if we continue on our current trajectory.

This isn't exactly a rebuttal to anything I've argued. If you are willing to agree at least that it is supported by the msm and establishment then that is fine.

Your argument is basically "but they do love the children". Which is fine. I disagree but I'm not ready to get into the science at this point.

Filthy has good instincts but he's gotten trapped in the Amy Goodman pot. I know that because I was there once myself. Lady was recruited by the CIA at Harvard and the Ford Foundation pays her bills.

Orcasio-Cortes is hopeful and optimistic and brimming with possibility. So of course the right and the old school left can't stand her: she just reminds them that they're dead inside and have nothing left but hatred and cynicism. She's a breath of fresh air, don't let the Grinches bring you down.

Don't listen to him, filthy. AOC has already been co-opted by the system, voting for the fascist Nancy Pelosi for speaker. Next thing you know she'll be voting yes on defense appropriations and other capitalist-imperialist folderol.

It gets trivial support from the MSM and establishment I guess. Very few actually view it as a top concern.

Trivial support in terms of money spent, articles and airtime given, summits held, or what?

Our views on this are complete polar opposites which on some things would be fine but this seems something easily measurable.

What I want to dispell is this insane myth that global warming is being fought by a "plucky band of scientists" vs the establishment that some on the left seem to have. And I feel like it's your holding on to this myth that causes you not to see what to me is obvious.

Acting like the establishment cares about climate deterioration is pretty absurd, Dustin

Oil companies have been funding anti-global warming research for like 50 years while basically the entire US government ignored it for decades.

Now, when it is far to late for any kind of incremental action to be successful, the MSM and some politicians have started paying lip service to it to get some votes and blunt the call for more extreme measures.

Sometimes I feel like you don’t understand how the establishment goes about co-opting a movement. You can’t tell the difference between something the bourogisie actually want vs something they have merely co-opted.