Is that what he was saying?

I don't speak dumb****ese.

I like how any time someone expresses a view that cutting and running and leaving a country in utter anarchy largely of our making is not an easy moral solution, or nor is standing aside and watching people butcher one another, what they are really saying is they love perpetual war. I'd be lost without people to parse these things for me.

You are just constructing a fictional narrative to suit your agenda.

The liberal position is to hem and haw about theoreticals while the US military destroys yet another country. And that is the position that is often criticized by filthy and I itt.

If you love the establishment and you love the media (because they are daddy)--then when you parrot their talking points it is because you love perpetual war--at least subconsciously.

I mean I think it’s possible that someone who parrots the imperialist fictional narrative of the media does so because they genuinely believe it even though the narrative actually just perpetuates imperialism.

Whether someone of kokiri’s intelligence is able to parrot it while remaining ignorant of the truth is dubious.

If people just loved perpetual war there would be no need to buy the media and use it to feed the somnambulant public lies. I think there is also a fair amount of cognitive dissonance and denial that goes on in this thread and in general. Point being, it is not a binary of either you are totally fooled or you are aware of what is going on but simply support the establishment because you benefit from imperialism. There is a lot of middle ground where collections of facts that are open to all kinds of framing and misinterpretation are easier to interpret the way that either

1) benefits you
2) syncs up with the view you have always believed

I mean look how hard it is for people to acknowledge that the CIA and other deep state apparati may not be fully honest brokers when it comes to Russian interference in us elections or in chemical weapon attacks in Syria even though those same brokers have lied and lied and lied and lied to manipulate the public for decades.

Is it because they logically understand the rewards they are reaping thanks to those lies? I would say it’s more likely because they have been conditioned to accept such “truths” for their entire lives and exist in a society that is set up to denigrate anyone who doesn’t swallow the establishment narrative.

You are mostly correct of course. It is simplistic to assume that establishment support comes from love of war either subconsciously or consciously.

It is just that when all the establishment does is support war (for our entire lifetimes) and it is so transparently obvious about it--when people then go and parrot their talking points--what else is there to think?

But you are right that cognitive dissonance is a big factor. The media in addition to providing us with what to think also helps to form people's identities.

Minor point--but if people loved war* they would still control the media. They are the media. They own the media. They created "the media".

*and I do think that some people actually do like it on a subconscious level probably because they hate themselves or something Freudian.

Trump: "Afghanistan sent terrorists into Russia, so it's good that Russia invaded Afganistan"



[Afganistan sends terrorists into USA]

"We have no business being in Afghanistan!"

You know, a lot of these places you’re reading about now are no longer part of Russia, because of Afghanistan.

lol WaPo:

First off, “bankrupt” isn’t the correct term. The Soviet economy did collapse, but bankruptcy entails the dissolution of debts, and Russia assumed responsibility for most of the Soviet obligations after 1991. (This is a distinction, it bears noting, that Trump should be well familiar with.)

hey filthy,

you should forget about AOC and move on (dot org) to Rashida Tlaib.

Did you miss the news Booker? The derposphere has claimed vixtory over AoC after posting a video of her... dancing, in college.

Because cute college kids having fun cant possibly hold office later in their life or something?

Jesus the derpers are dumb as ****.

Interestingly enough some liberals somewhere said some stupid stuff too yesterday

And amazingly instead of providing details of such, you made that post.

Anyone that posted in my timeline - regardless of political leanings - about that video was 100% in agreement that the original tweet was absurdly stupid.

That would have run counter to my intent, which was making fun of you for caring about what someone says about AOC on twitter.

AOC is bad because she is a crypto-fascist not because she danced in college, Master

Has she ever made sort of foreign policy statements or addressed things like troops in Syria, Afghanistan, endless war, etc?

Or does she limit herself only to domestic policy?

It’s a nice system when you think about it. The establishment pushes lies that ostensibly justify a war, invasion, etc using some combination of the CIA/State Department and the media (which they own). Anyone would doubts or even wishes to examine said lies is castigated, mocked, fired, etc, and we go to war.

Then once we are at war a new narrative is created whereby “we can’t just withdraw without an exit strategy” or whatever. Then we are stuck.

Rinse repeat every 5-10 years.

The same people itt who are saying “we can’t just withdraw from Iraq” rush to believe lies told about the Syrian government that justify intervention even though just 15 years ago the same people, same organizations, same media outlets that are telling lies about Syria also told lies to get us into Iraq—a war “we can’t just withdraw from”.

It’s Kafka-esque

Anyone seen “Vice” yet?

I watched it last night. Thought it was solid

http://www.unz.com/article/why-franc...ce-in-the-u-s/

Birdman you might like this. He discusses the failure of the left in the US amongst other topics. I still need to finish it but it is well written.

Yeah. The “left” in the US is a total joke. Just read this thread.