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09-21-2018 , 09:34 AM
Trump openly shaming an attempted rape victim for not coming forward in official presidential statements. **** this country
09-21-2018 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I’m honestly a little confused by what you are getting at IANAW.

Theft is a legal definition and our current laws do not consider profit to be theft. I understand this. But I can think profit is a bad thing while also recognizing that it isn’t, legally speaking, theft.
and our current laws don't consider taxes to be theft

but of course we aren't talking about "our laws", we are talking about our conception of property rights and the relationships entwined therein



the underlined is continued wishy-washing on whether you "profit" a problem (whether it's "immoral", "illegal", or within whatever normative framework you adopt)

you do this a lot as this conversation wound down -
09-21-2018 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I’m also not sure I’m about making an argument that profit is immoral. I think it leads to bad outcomes in our society currently. Perhaps you feel that is the same as calling it immoral? Idk
what is a moral policy that has "bad outcomes" for society?

doesn't the bad-ness of the outcome make the causing policy immoral?
09-21-2018 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I’d also like to point out that communism calls for abolishing private property but does not call for abolishing personal property which is a key distinction
isn't the key difference between "private" and "personal" property that private property is used as a means to profit and personal property is end-user stuff?
09-21-2018 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Much like racism, I do not believe sexism/misogyny/patriarchy can ever end under capitalism
shameless exploitation, and baseless to boot...
09-21-2018 , 09:44 AM
Dr. Ford previously had no interest in publicly disclosing the information, and she has a record of privately disclosing the info prior to Kav's national spotlight.


Anybody still supporting Kav's bid - anybody not opposing Kav's bid - should be ashamed.
09-21-2018 , 09:46 AM
**** Feinstein for sitting on the information until a politically opportune moment


she should have already undertaken an investigation

instead she's throwing the victim to the wolves
09-21-2018 , 09:47 AM
Mets' "the rape allegation merits an investigation, but it needs to be concluded in two weeks because my party has power right now" position is unmitigatably deplorable.

Last edited by iamnotawerewolf; 09-21-2018 at 09:52 AM.
09-21-2018 , 09:52 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...26336473055235
09-21-2018 , 11:15 AM
This has turned into the 2+2 politics thread

Disgusting

Cory booker has groped women and bragged about it and he'll likely be in the top 5 candudates for president

But more so

I respect her not wanting kavanaugh in the room when she's there, that's a fair ask

But if the senators are more comfortable with a female lawyer asking that's fair

And kavanaugh has to go last. He's the one who has to defend himself

The rest is fair if he asking for a few extra days and such

But you guys just say to blindly believe her is unfair

She took a poly. That should count for something and it's not a greyskull so i agree it's admissible. Let her tel her side. Let him. And vote

Regarding the deadline, there are cases beimg heard on the 6tg and if you were going to leak this ladies name, which they did, then you should have done it earlier. That was my point

Im not responding to the rest cause you will all attack me like you did luckbox when he didn't post anything bad

And if peolle decide not to vote kavanaugh over this, that's fine. But they should all be heard and then the senate can decide

The presumption of guilt since it isn't a trial is part of the issue

And yes she did not name kavanaugh during her therapy according to reports. But the therapist needs to testify as well

Fir her sake i would favor non public
09-21-2018 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Mets' "the rape allegation merits an investigation, but it needs to be concluded in two weeks because my party has power right now" position is unmitigatably deplorable.
I think this gets into the whole issue of Feinstein sitting on it fwiw.
09-21-2018 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
This has turned into the 2+2 politics thread

Disgusting

Cory booker has groped women and bragged about it and he'll likely be in the top 5 candudates for president

But more so

I respect her not wanting kavanaugh in the room when she's there, that's a fair ask

But if the senators are more comfortable with a female lawyer asking that's fair

And kavanaugh has to go last. He's the one who has to defend himself

The rest is fair if he asking for a few extra days and such

But you guys just say to blindly believe her is unfair

She took a poly. That should count for something and it's not a greyskull so i agree it's admissible. Let her tel her side. Let him. And vote

Regarding the deadline, there are cases beimg heard on the 6tg and if you were going to leak this ladies name, which they did, then you should have done it earlier. That was my point

Im not responding to the rest cause you will all attack me like you did luckbox when he didn't post anything bad

And if peolle decide not to vote kavanaugh over this, that's fine. But they should all be heard and then the senate can decide

The presumption of guilt since it isn't a trial is part of the issue

And yes she did not name kavanaugh during her therapy according to reports. But the therapist needs to testify as well

Fir her sake i would favor non public
You...

...r posts...

...can **** right off
09-21-2018 , 11:47 AM
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/21/pol...www.cnn.com%2F

Quick article that addresses the latest whataboutism Mets posted (Booker)
09-21-2018 , 11:57 AM
Lol Mets getting his marching orders from Fox and devouring their boots in his rush over here to spout it.
09-21-2018 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
isn't the key difference between "private" and "personal" property that private property is used as a means to profit and personal property is end-user stuff?
Basically yes
09-21-2018 , 12:10 PM
I don’t understand that quip about Booker, Mets. Why do you feel that is relevant to the Kav thing?
09-21-2018 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I don’t understand that quip about Booker, Mets. Why do you feel that is relevant to the Kav thing?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
09-21-2018 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
You...

...r posts...

...can **** right off
This isn't half as clever as you think it is.
09-21-2018 , 12:17 PM
Not trying to be clever man, just staying within the rules
09-21-2018 , 12:19 PM
That's not how the rules work.
09-21-2018 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Is it whataboutism though? I think Corey Booker is awful. So I don’t even see the hypocrisy he is trying to imply exists
09-21-2018 , 12:23 PM
Mets I think the chief problem people are having itt is that you still seem to support Kav despite the accusations of rape. Is that correct or would you rather not see him made a Supreme Court Justice?
09-21-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
That's not how the rules work.
I don't follow. I was pretty sure that the rules outlined that we should address users posts, and not the user themselves... or am I incorrect?
09-21-2018 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Mets I think the chief problem people are having itt is that you still seem to support Kav despite the accusations of rape. Is that correct or would you rather not see him made a Supreme Court Justice?
He supports any and all Republican nominees to the court no matter what skeletons may be in their closet. His posts indicate true authoritarian bootlicking. If he has been handed orders that x person should sit on the supreme court, he will defend that view to the death no matter what is revealed.
09-21-2018 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Mets I think the chief problem people are having itt is that you still seem to support Kav despite the accusations of rape. Is that correct or would you rather not see him made a Supreme Court Justice?


Or perhaps more generally, in what scenarios would you be happy to see him confirmed?

      
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