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09-07-2018 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Like, in what world is the best person to run the country a serial philandering pathological liar who surrounds himself with a court of petty grifters and whose inferiority complex has driven his failing businesses into a mix of bilking suppliers, partnering with people other more reputable businesses wouldn’t touch, and running end arounds the charity laws.

then people shouldnt vote him next time if thats how they feel

but again as i said, clintons approval rating went up after he was impeached, the affairs and the evidence of payoffs to jennifer flowers and such didnt hurt him

people care less about any of that than you think
09-07-2018 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Like, in what world is the best person to run the country a serial philandering pathological liar who surrounds himself with a court of petty grifters and whose inferiority complex has driven his failing businesses into a mix of bilking suppliers, partnering with people other more reputable businesses wouldn’t touch, and running end arounds the charity laws.
The world in which the alternative is neocons?
09-07-2018 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
its apparantly not illegal to get dirt on your opponents from the russians, otherwise hillary would be in jail

False equivalence alert, false equivalence alert, false equivalence alert.

Also, one of the central possibilities is that the trump campaign blundered into serious violations of the rules and even treason as a result of not knowing what the rules were, and being so chaotically run.
09-07-2018 , 03:03 PM
I start teaching on monday. I had meeting in the ROTC room this week, and on the top wall is the list of our top officers, starting with commander in chief trump. mattis, etc except trumps picture is missing.

earlier in the day, in some of my training, we spoke about privilige, and also about the economic and demographics of the area and other issues. and in a matter of seconds, i was like, "you know what, people have the right to disagree and be upset"

so even though i dont think trump has been bad for black america at all, the language he uses is, and he hasnt gone above and beyond for them as he promised, so i understand people's frustrations.

so yes, i am going to try to look at all things from a different perspective and be more empathetic towards others

but i still want to debate and discuss the merits of his actual policies rather than his idiotic comments and tweets
09-07-2018 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
but i still want to debate and discuss the merits of his actual policies rather than his idiotic comments and tweets

But as president, the idiotic comments are de facto policy.
09-07-2018 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
and your current senate minority lead supported doing it in 07 18 months before the election

im glad you are learning
Was there an open supreme court seat in 2007 that I missed?
09-07-2018 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
False equivalence alert, false equivalence alert, false equivalence alert.

Also, one of the central possibilities is that the trump campaign blundered into serious violations of the rules and even treason as a result of not knowing what the rules were, and being so chaotically run.
she didnt pay for the russian dossier to get opp research on trumo
09-07-2018 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Like, in what world is the best person to run the country a serial philandering pathological liar who surrounds himself with a court of petty grifters and whose inferiority complex has driven his failing businesses into a mix of bilking suppliers, partnering with people other more reputable businesses wouldn’t touch, and running end arounds the charity laws.
our leaders have pretty much always been like this throughout the history of the world
09-07-2018 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
The world in which the alternative is neocons?
"Trump is going to be all about world peace. Okay, so he did say he wanted unprecedented increases in military spending, but hopefully he was just pandering for votes. Okay, he did push through a big increase in military spending, but that doesn't mean anything as long as he doesn't use it. Okay, he did send more troops to Syria and wanted to send a lot more, but what actually matters is that he removed them again after he finished bombing the **** out of the country. Okay, he did openly threaten to invade Venezuela and North Korea, but you'll notice he didn't actually do it yet. Okay, he did fire his moderate National Security Adviser and replace him with a guy who has strongly advocated for regime change at every opportunity over the course of decades, but can't we just talk instead about how Hillary is a neocon?"

Last edited by soah; 09-07-2018 at 03:34 PM.
09-07-2018 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
But as president, the idiotic comments are de facto policy.
its a stupid 4 year election cycle
09-07-2018 , 03:18 PM
you could at least have gone with "very concerning"
09-07-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
its a stupid 4 year election cycle


No. Trump is materially different.

As was Hilary’s research.
09-07-2018 , 03:35 PM
hitler - diabolical
trump - idiotic
obama - twofaced
churchill - drunk
stalin - russian
09-07-2018 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
"Trump is going to be all about world peace. Okay, so he did say he wanted unprecedented increases in military spending, but hopefully he was just pandering for votes. Okay, he did push through a big increase in military spending, but that doesn't mean anything as long as he doesn't use it. Okay, he did send more troops to Syria and wanted to send a lot more, but what actually matters is that he removed them again after he finished bombing the **** out of the country. Okay, he did openly threaten to invade Venezuela and North Korea, but you'll notice he didn't actually do it yet. Okay, he did fire his moderate National Security Adviser and replace him with a guy who has strongly advocated for regime change at every opportunity over the course of decades, but can't we just talk instead about how Hillary is a neocon?"
he is far less of a neocon than hillary

and yes having a strong military doesnt make you a neocon
09-07-2018 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
and yes having a strong military doesnt make you a neocon
Yes it does
09-07-2018 , 04:08 PM
So Obama did slam Trump, but he then slams the people in the white house undermining him harder than he slammed trump.
09-07-2018 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Yes it does
so is Bill Kristol a neocon?
09-07-2018 , 04:22 PM
Wondering who the hell that guy is and decide to google him, literally the first thing I see:
09-07-2018 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
so is Bill Kristol a neocon?
This is literally the first sentence of his wiki entry:

“William Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American neoconservative political analyst.”
09-07-2018 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
so even though i dont think trump has been bad for black america at all
When black people say they don't like Trump and indicate that with 16% approval rating or whatever mets was just boasting about, they are dumb and wrong, mets knows better because he's a special little guy.
09-07-2018 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
This is literally the first sentence of his wiki entry:

“William Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American neoconservative political analyst.”
and he hates trump, might be the biggest anti-trumper ever, mostly because trump is far from a neocon
09-07-2018 , 04:59 PM
was your whole plan to ask if that guy was a neocon so you could prove that trump is not a neocon because a neocon hates trump?
09-07-2018 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
and he hates trump, might be the biggest anti-trumper ever, mostly because trump is far from a neocon
It's really weird to see you go through these twisted leaps of logic and to think you genuinely believe the nonsense you're writing out. Literally just sort by the defense budget he's advocating for and that will get you approximately 10,000 times closer to an objective answer than whatever it is you're doing here.
09-07-2018 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lenC
When black people say they don't like Trump and indicate that with 16% approval rating or whatever mets was just boasting about, they are dumb and wrong, mets knows better because he's a special little guy.
doesn't mean they are dumb, doesn't ,eam that I am right either. Some of it is bias of course. I just said I'd like trump to do more, but I cant see how you think he's done less for the black community than Obama

The way trump has spoken to the black athletes regarding the kneeling has a lot to do with why he is so unpopular among blacks, and I get that

      
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