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Policies that result in racially biased outcomes are a different kind of "racist" than the stereoptying/discriminating kind.

There's an inference that the application of the policy across racial lines, leading to disparate respective impacts, once said impacts become known to the policy-makers, itself constitutes a permissive type of racism on the part of the policy-makers, even if the policy-makers themselves don't hold racially prejudicial views.

08-22-2018 , 12:46 PM

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Ok so because slavery was set up specifically along racial lines and you believe deportations are set up specifically based on racial profiling or something. But I already understood that before the analogy?

Deportation are not set up on racial profiling. Deportations are about enforcing a system of imperialsim that itself has its origins in European colonization

08-22-2018 , 12:47 PM

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May God have mercy on anyone reading this. Definitely just skip it.

08-22-2018 , 12:48 PM

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You couldn’t. Borders are necessary to preserve capitalism. Without them capitalism would collapse

"Vote AOC 2018: I will cause your society to collapse!"

08-22-2018 , 12:49 PM

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Do you think having slaves of every race is less wrong than just black slaves? If you agreed with that statement I think I'd understand.

No I don’t think slaves of every race is less wrong.

And I don’t think plantation owners had black slaves bexause they were racist. I think they were racist because they had black slaves

08-22-2018 , 12:49 PM

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"Vote AOC 2018: I will cause your society to collapse!"

That’s what socialism is, IANAW

08-22-2018 , 12:52 PM

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I’m honestly confused, now, IANAW. What did you think it meant when someone calls themselves socialist. Surely you understand socialism requires and end to capitalism, right? I refuse to believe you didn’t understand that concept

08-22-2018 , 12:52 PM

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You couldn’t. Borders are necessary to preserve capitalism. Without them capitalism would collapse

Seems debatable. Why hasn't the Schengen zone in Europe collapsing it? Or is it?

08-22-2018 , 12:52 PM

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The idea of south East Asian people and cultures being less civilized than western ones has a long history and is present in lots of western art, media, etc. it has roots in WW2, the Korean War, the Vietnam war, etc. so when you call a south East Asian country uncivilized you are playing on those ideas, and those ideas are racist

Almost all of our technology has been built in Asia by Asians

I don't think most Americans think Asians are less western tech Savvy than us

By civilized i meant allowing people to see their families that live in South Korea

Not everything everyone says has deep coded racial messages like you believe

08-22-2018 , 12:52 PM

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Well I don't really get what you're going for then. I won't agree with the strength of your USA imperialism claims and will just claim your desire to push things as "racist" is the commie narrative.

And you don't agree USA should turtle in and support it's own workers and end globalization either because that's racist?

08-22-2018 , 12:54 PM

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Seems debatable. Why hasn't the Schengen zone in Europe collapsing it? Or is it?

Because they are all part of the imperial center. The borders that matter are the ones between the first and third world

08-22-2018 , 12:55 PM

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What did you think it meant when someone calls themselves socialist.

afaict - that they are so obsessed with structural injustice that they are blinded to the opportunities for the improvement of the lives of the people victimized by the injustice

08-22-2018 , 12:58 PM

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Yeah I agree—if you blindly ignore history it is pretty easy to remain ignorant of why deportations, borders, etc are White supremacist.

08-22-2018 , 12:59 PM

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afaict - that they are so obsessed with structural injustice that they are blinded to the opportunities for the improvement of the lives of the people victimized by the injustice

Ok but to be clear, you did not think socialism meant an end to capitalism?

08-22-2018 , 01:00 PM

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Not everything everyone says has deep coded racial messages like you believe

No you are right. I picked one post that was racist and said so. I hardly call everything everyone says racist.

08-22-2018 , 01:01 PM

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Because they are all part of the imperial center. The borders that matter are the ones between the first and third world

I think your views on this are off and we've had this discussion a bunch already obviously--but if the ruling class/boog/elite/ptb wanted to tighten down the border then they had every opportunity to after 9/11. They didn't and having a lax border has been bipartisan policy until now with Trump.

They would prefer that the poor migrated to the rich counties. This is why well funded ngos have been shuttling people to Europe from Africa and what accounts for our own immigration policies.

08-22-2018 , 01:01 PM

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Hating poor people is fascist and when people make comments that reflect that I will call them fascist.

Repeating tropes that have a long history of racist meaning is racist and when people make comments that reflect that I will call them racist.

08-22-2018 , 01:03 PM

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They didn't and having a lax border has been bipartisan policy until now with Trump.

lol come on dude

08-22-2018 , 01:03 PM

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lol come on dude

What? How many illegal aliens do you think exist exactly?

08-22-2018 , 01:06 PM

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What? How many illegal aliens do you think exist exactly?

Check out how many people Obama deported then get back to me

08-22-2018 , 01:07 PM

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Like why do you think coyotes exist and human trafficers in Mexico and do you think that that isn't something that is intended by our immigration policy. Whatever the number of illegal immigrants in the us that number is by design. They make it easy to get in illegality, hard to get in legally, and easy to stay once you do get here.

08-22-2018 , 01:10 PM

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What is your basis for thinking the boog want tight borders? Why should that be necessary for capitalism?

08-22-2018 , 01:12 PM

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What is your basis for thinking the boog want tight borders? Why should that be necessary for capitalism?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/len.../1916/imp-hsc/

08-22-2018 , 01:15 PM

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https://www.marxists.org/archive/len.../1916/imp-hsc/

I'm a firm believer in the principle that if you can't explain it you don't understand it.

08-22-2018 , 01:19 PM

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I don't think most Americans think Asians are less western tech Savvy than us

I would respectfully disagree with you on this one. At the very least, most Americans see southeastern Asians as less "civilized"...and i think you being on the internet and such and living in the NE makes you more aware of asia and its products than someone that lives in say, the south or midwest (mostly where there are no asians).

I say this mostly based on my anecdotal evidence as being an Asian person though, so take it with a grain of salt.

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