Yes he was a racist and no the purpose doesn't matter. The purpose of black slaves was not racist, it was to make money off free labor. That does not make slavery "not racist". What an ignorant argument.

RCP had the polling average at Clinton +3.3 and 538 said +3.6

When people say that you repeatedly spout off uninformed bull**** and force others to fact check you, this is what they're talking about.

(If I'm not mistaken, exit polls showed that undecideds voted Trump by a large margin, so even that error of 1.5% might not have not even been an error at all.)

In New Orleans there are two relatively poor neighborhoods next to each other. One predominantly Black and the other predominantly White. After Katrina, the White neighborhood got rebuilt much faster than the black one. The community government in the White neighborhood was worried about black people moving into their community but they knew they couldn't pass that law that said "black people can't live here" so they passed a law that said you could not rent an apartment to someone who was not a relative.

According to Mets such a law is not racist because it "has nothing to do with race" even though it very obviously is racist in its outcome.

I'm not going to fact check this, but let's assume it's true.

Why do you think this is the case, given that blacks comprise roughly 12-13% of the US population?

You didn't answer my question

A much higher percentage of black people commit murder than white people

So is putting people in prison for murder racist?
Is the death penalty racist?

Education, poverty, culture among other things

Im agreeing its a problem

But that doesn't mean making punishments for murder severe is racist

Yes and yes

We are talking about Trump's tax law. Stop changing the subject. The law lowers taxes more for white people than black people. That is racist.

Rich people pay a higher percentage of tax than poor people

Is that racist

No, dude. That is a progressive tax system? What are you talking about

The graduated income tax is racist by your definition

Unless racism only refers to minorities in your pretty eyes

saying things like that invites personal attacks.

idk if it's a true statement. especially if you count up all the murders in the history of the world.

if it's not true for the history of the world, and it is true for present day usa empire, then it says something about present day usa empire, or it's statistical variance.


btw, the death penalty is racist. i thought that was widely accepted by everyone here.

What do you think would be some reasonable solutions to this problem?

Do you remember when I explained to you why a consumption tax is regressive? Do we have to go through that again? A progressive tax system is the opposite of racist lol. Come on man.

Im using your logic

More white people are in the highest tax bracket than black people

So a progressive tax hurts white people more than black people

Which would make it racist in birdman land unless a racism against a minority doesn't exist in birdman land

Mets are you familiar with the concept of "necessary labor time"?

Im taking us statistics

That doesn't invite a personal attack

According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of African Americans victims were killed by African Americans.[49][50][51]

In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

Black or African Americans 4,379 = 51.3%
White Americans (non-Hispanic Americans) 2,861 = 33.5%
Hispanic Americans 1,096 = 12.8%
American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.14%
Asian Americans 101 = 1.18%[52][53]
Inversely, the percentage of individuals in each racial demographic arrested for murder in 2013 (with 2016 population estimates) was:

0.0102% of Black or African American population (4,379/42,975,959)
0.0023% of American Indian or Alaska Native population (98/4,200,658)
0.0019% Hispanic American population (1,096/57,516,697)
0.0014% of White American (3,799/198,077,165)
0.001% of Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander population (6/646,255)
0.0005% of Asian American population (101/18,418,268)[52][54]
Youth crime Edit
The "National Youth Gang Survey Analysis" (2011) state that of gang members, 46% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are black, 11.5% are white, and 7% are other race/ethnicity.[55]

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness.[56]

Robbery Edit
According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites. Robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.[57][58]

Victim surveys Edit
In 1978, Michael Hindelang compared data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (then known as the National Crime Survey, or NCS) to data from the Uniform Crime Reports, both from 1974. He found that NCS data generally agreed with UCR data in regards to the percent of perpetrators of rape, robbery, and assault who were black.[59] For instance, Hindelang's analysis found that both the NCS and UCR estimated that 62% of robbery offenders were black in the United States in 1974.[60]:327 A 2004 National Crime Victimization Survey report which analyzed carjacking over 10 years found that carjacking victims identified 56% of offenders as black, 21% as white, and 16% as Native American or Asian.[61][62][63]

For starters, it was white people who pass the tax law so what you are saying doesn't even begin to make sense. Honestly there is just too much basic economics you are ignorant of to have a proper conversation about this.

Education is key.

Bush tried to get federal government more involved and that failed

School choice and charter schools help

But school based on property tax is a tough nut to crack

I don't have a solution

Id love to hear a good one

Necessary labor time is the about of time labors must work to produce the equivalent of their own livelihood (at the socially and historically determined standard of living of their day). What that means is that for a given socio-economic class, there is a certain amount of money that is required for someone to be able to get the basics they need to survive. For poor people this would be something like "enough money to cover basic food, housing, clothes, and transportation" (since healthcare is not considered part of basic standard of living for poor people in this country).

The amount of money required here is the baseline amount of money a given class needs. So the tax rate of the poorest individuals is not really relevant. If you were to lower their taxes, capitalist would simply pay them less to end up equally whatever this socially necessary amount is. If you taxed them more, capitalists would just have to pay them more money because if they did not the labor would not be able to "reproduce itself" (i.e. people would start dying from lack of food or whatever and not show up to work the next day).

That's racist to say that white people passed it soi it's racist

Stop calling me ignorant. Put me on ignore if you want but either engage me like a person or stfu

White people created food stamps and welfare too which helps minorities more than white people right now right

You think you have an answer for everything and. Bb

You know what you're not worrh it

Eyebooger you and i can discuss solutions

If you require $20 of income a day to produce your own livelihood, and you work 8 hours a day, that means I will pay you $2.50 an hour plus exactly enough to cover whatever your tax rate is. If your tax rate goes up I will just increase your salary a corresponding amount. If it goes down I will lower your pay a corresponding amount. The tax rate of the poorest individuals is not relevant.

In the case of a company like Wal Mart, I will actually pay you LESS than is required you produce your livelihood and then have the government tax the middle class and use that to make up the difference to cover your livelihood with welfare.

It's not racist, its a fact. I am not even sure what you are trying to say here.

I will stop calling you ignorant when you stop being ignorant. Pick up a book or something. That is how most people cure their ignorance.

Welfare and food stamps, as I explained in another post, is just a way for rich people to extract money from the middle class. It does nothing to help minorities ultimately, and in fact hurts them. It merely makes up the difference in necessary salary that corporations do not cover because the minimum wage is too low.


I do not think I have an answer for everything. But yeah I have an answer for most of the elementary economic concerns you are stuck on.

Busy now, but I'll respond to the education thing later tonight.

i think welfare and food stamps helped me as a kid in the 70s and 80s. i'm not sure how we would have survived without them. but it was different back then