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07-31-2018 , 08:23 PM

#5001

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

can somebody please tell me why the US Justice Dept needs a Religious Liberty Task Force?

Because the Muslims are going to come enforce sharia law, and therefore we need religious liberty to protect the god-fearin' Christians.

08-01-2018 , 01:08 AM

#5002

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This is for pwns

08-01-2018 , 03:38 AM

#5003

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This is for pwns

It’s also bs. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

08-01-2018 , 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by filthyvermin

i don't think is true. i think "tough on crime" to most people means cops stopping things like muggings, robbing gas stations, rapes, kidnappings, vandalism.... mostly crimes that poor, powerless people commit.

people don't think of things like illegal wars, business monopolies, union busting, bribery, stealing/abusing public lands.... crimes that rich powerful people commit

The ****?

08-01-2018 , 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

This is for pwns

Yeah I've seen this stated many ways before.

Seems like the antifa has some sort of hero syndrome thing going on. If there is such a thing.

08-01-2018 , 08:25 AM

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I suppose I should give credit that Birdman is more principled than a Liberal who preaches tolerance since he doesn't claim to espouse such views, and often claims it's a terrible view to hold.

08-01-2018 , 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kokiri

It’s also bs. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

What is bs about it iyo?

08-01-2018 , 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

What is bs about it iyo?

The only person I’ve noticed saying both sides is trump, who I wouldn’t describe as a centrist.

Also I think that the core of the debate between the hard/soft left revolves less around fascist/notafascist and more how best to combat it.

So it’s another example of the hard left taking the moral high ground and asserting that everyone that doesn’t agree with them is at best enabling fascism and at worst an actual fascist. I think this is bs.

08-01-2018 , 10:22 AM

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The bull**** aspect isn't that it's necessarily wrong--just that the fascist vs antifascist divide is more or less artificially created by the media in combination with useful idiots.

08-01-2018 , 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kokiri

The only person I’ve noticed saying both sides is trump, who I wouldn’t describe as a centrist.

Are you being serious with the “only person” thing or just an exaggeration. Because I feel like I can easily disprove that. Just yesterday pwns was trying to argue that fascists were no different than anti-fascists

08-01-2018 , 10:49 AM

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Let's say I concede I was comparing them, that doesn't mean I think they are no different.

08-01-2018 , 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ihcjay

The ****?

"mostly" i mean you even bolded the damn word

08-01-2018 , 11:37 AM

#5013

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it's still turrible

08-01-2018 , 12:31 PM

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I don’t think it’s that poor people “comit” more rapes. I think it’s that they get charged/prosecuted for it more

08-01-2018 , 12:53 PM

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i guess i phrased my post poorly

i didn't mean that poor people commit more rapes, or even get prosecuted for it more(though they do). i meant when people think of "tough on crime" they crimes they are thinking about are small time crimes, committed mostly by poor, desperate, powerless people. and the victims are usually one person or a very small group. rape is included in those crimes, but it's mostly other crimes

but people don't think about big time crimes that impact huge numbers of victims

08-01-2018 , 12:54 PM

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"tough on crime" should mean going after politicians, generals, corporate leaders, lawyers and bankers

that's what i should have said

08-01-2018 , 12:56 PM

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yeah no one means tough on white collar crime. even though it seems to ruin far more lives on a per crime basis.

08-01-2018 , 01:40 PM

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The state is an instrument of class oppression (one class over the other). The state is never going to be “tough” on rich people. It exists to maintain the oppression of the poor by the rich.

08-01-2018 , 01:49 PM

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"Having public power and the right to levy taxes,” Engels writes, “the officials now stand, as organs of society, above society. The free, voluntary respect that was accorded to the organs of the gentile [clan] constitution does not satisfy them, even if they could gain it....” Special laws are enacted proclaiming the sanctity and immunity of the officials. “The shabbiest police servant” has more “authority” than the representative of the clan...

08-01-2018 , 01:50 PM

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Because the state arose from the need to hold class antagonisms in check, but because it arose, at the same time, in the midst of the conflict of these classes, it is, as a rule, the state of the most powerful, economically dominant class, which, through the medium of the state, becomes also the politically dominant class, and thus acquires new means of holding down and exploiting the oppressed class....

08-01-2018 , 01:51 PM

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etc

08-01-2018 , 04:17 PM

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Mets, I thought you might enjoy reading this article:

https://www.epi.org/blog/last-weeks-...wn-to-workers/

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Last Friday, new data was released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) with the headline being a 4.1 percent annualized rate of GDP growth. Supporters of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) have pointed to this data point as proof that the tax cuts are working, though there’s little indicationthat economic growth has moved off its previous trend. But the release of new economic data does give us another chance to see what that data is telling us so far about the effects of the TCJA. The punchline is simple: the TCJA has already fattened up the incomes of capital owners and corporations in a measurable way, but there’s no indication at all that any of it threatens to trickle-down to workers.

08-01-2018 , 04:19 PM

#5023

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that doesn't sound like an article mets would enjoy

08-02-2018 , 08:41 AM

#5024

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Originally Posted by kokiri

It is actually the hard-left stance that encourages protofascists to step all the way over the line by lending some credence to the fascist's wary-words.

08-02-2018 , 09:07 AM

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...-towards-poor/

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Television shows which glamourise fame, luxury, and wealth accumulation such as Made in Chelsea or Keeping Up With The Kardashians, make viewers cold-hearted towards the poor, a new study suggests.

New research from the London School of Economics (LSE) found that even 60 seconds of exposure to materialistic media is enough to significantly increase anti-welfare sentiment.

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