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02-24-2018 , 05:31 PM
If you want to argue it's about how we construct society and happiness and such I agree, but then things like equality and fairness and liberty tend to go out the window unless you think they are somehow desirable in themselves.

Last edited by pwnsall; 02-24-2018 at 05:42 PM.
02-24-2018 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
I'd bang her.

On that point how dumb of a thing do I have to say before eyebooger scurries off to SE to tattle?
02-24-2018 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
To be honest from the way you argue I don't really think of you as an aethiest.
I'm interested in your newsletter.
02-24-2018 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
On that point how dumb of a thing do I have to say before eyebooger scurries off to SE to tattle?
Wait, what?
02-24-2018 , 06:10 PM
Didn't you do that to Luckbox recently?
02-24-2018 , 06:28 PM
Not really.

I was commenting on what a cesspool this thread was. Not my fault Luckbox was going full-blown AIDS here.
02-24-2018 , 06:30 PM
Full blown aids has not been seen in this thread. Someday.
02-25-2018 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
I'd bang her.

On that point how dumb of a thing do I have to say before eyebooger scurries off to SE to tattle?


Are these cries for help, or are you reverting to just being a dick for no reason?
02-25-2018 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
It is the case. Rand Paul is a prototypical neoliberal. Your zerohedge is all neoliberal. Anybody saying "government is not the answer" is going to be neoliberal if they also say "the market has the answer"; markets aren't the only alternate answer. "do what makes me personally richest" is the oligarch answer.
Like Kokiri said as no one self-identifies as a neoliberal, that makes it a term primed for abuse.

While neoliberals might in some instances want to see market based solutions, I don't think they are very principled in that regard. Libertarians start from the approach of individual autonomy and believe that the role of government is to protect individual liberties. Whether Rand Paul truly believes in these principles himself is up for debate and my only point is that there are a number of ways in which libertarians distinguish themselves from neoliberals.

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I can apply the principles of neoliberalism to imagine neoliberal foreign policy. You need a merit test to divide worthy from unworthy. Aid should come with strings to encourage our preferred policies; but not from selfishness but because we are certain that our preferred policies are best. Having described the principle, the IMF is a perfect fit. The IMF is a neoliberal foreign policy institution. OTOH, the UN is not. The UN isn't a lot of things and it definitely isn't applying 'neutral' merit tests and privatization to hand out rewards and punishment.
You don't have to imagine a neoliberal foreign policy. Just Google 'neoliberal soft power' and you'll find a bunch explaining it. I agree that the IMF is a 'perfect' neoliberal institution because it works by using its economic power to gain control over nations and economies. It makes loans, countries default, it then takes control of resources. This is soft power as opposed to simply invading or organizing a coup and taking control in that manner the way a neoconservative might want to do.

I think the problem though is thinking that there is some sort of principle behind neoliberalism when it's little more than a friendly face behind imperialism.
02-25-2018 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Are these cries for help, or are you reverting to just being a dick for no reason?
Which posts are dickish? I think this one is borderline but did think him going to SE to whine was lame.

I mean Luckbox already talked about and got banned because he hates being talked about in some thread he can't respond in (which is a pretty normal reaction) and eyebooger went and ensured it would happen again.
02-25-2018 , 12:13 PM
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02-25-2018 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Which posts are dickish? I think this one is borderline but did think him going to SE to whine was lame.

I mean Luckbox already talked about and got banned because he hates being talked about in some thread he can't respond in (which is a pretty normal reaction) and eyebooger went and ensured it would happen again.
That was Bloobird. It was over the spectrogram thing (originally, the last time was over sandy hook but that was just somebody random quoting me in se) I continue to contend that it looks very weird, where you have increased amplitude (volume) and decreased pitch (tone). It is as if when Trump said "grab them by the pussy" he whispered it directly into the microphone--that or it was doctored. Anyways...cphoya banned me because I wouldnt stop responding to people who were trolling me because I felt that was my right.

I sent him a pm apologizing for my actions and told him he should post here if he ever wants so I'll make that publicly known too.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 02-25-2018 at 12:32 PM.
02-25-2018 , 12:37 PM
Yeah i'm saying it's kinda dickish if you've already shown it annoys you to do something to start it up again.
02-25-2018 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Which posts are dickish? I think this one is borderline but did think him going to SE to whine was lame.
I feel like there was something similar the other week, too, and I feel generally you're leaning a bit more to the glib attempts at controversy of late than you had been for a while. I dunno, everyone needs a hug once in a while.
02-25-2018 , 06:32 PM
Also I'm going to do some proper picket line striking tomorrow, rather than the running-errands-striking i did last week. AIUI we burn tyres in an oil can and jeer at scabs, or something. There's a polar vortex or something coming in atm, and it's effing freezing.
02-25-2018 , 09:06 PM
I dunno, I feel fine I think. Thought my post was reasonable enough.

Giving it more thought I think alcohol is a way better comparison to guns. I imagine it causes at least as much destruction and people drive and drink here all the time but we sorta just accept it (to a degree).

I imagine alcohol will stay legal/not really get the same press because 1. More people enjoy drinking alcohol than care about guns. 2. There aren't as many big galvanizing tragedies like with guns.

I'm not really trying to make a point or comparison per se other than possibly the flimsiness of why some things get demonized instead of others.
02-25-2018 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Also I'm going to do some proper picket line striking tomorrow, rather than the running-errands-striking i did last week. AIUI we burn tyres in an oil can and jeer at scabs, or something. There's a polar vortex or something coming in atm, and it's effing freezing.
wow! good for you!!

i don't know what you're picketing, but i'll be there with you in spirit. seriously. i have no doubt whatsoever it's a good cause.

in actuality, i'll most likely be snug in bed listening to an audiobook while you're freezing
02-25-2018 , 11:58 PM
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You don't have to imagine a neoliberal foreign policy. Just Google 'neoliberal soft power' and you'll find a bunch explaining it. I agree that the IMF is a 'perfect' neoliberal institution because it works by using its economic power to gain control over nations and economies.
Money is not soft power. Instead, look to respect and shared identity.

You're describing hard power. Guns and *butter*.
02-26-2018 , 12:02 AM
It's nuts how far critters will go to carve out exceptions/limitations to the 1st 4th 5th 6th and 8th amendments, but the 2nd is sacrosanct.
02-26-2018 , 12:10 AM
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soft power
One love.
02-26-2018 , 02:34 AM
we lost 1 and a half stars with the new thread, smh
02-26-2018 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
I dunno, I feel fine I think. Thought my post was reasonable enough.

Giving it more thought I think alcohol is a way better comparison to guns. I imagine it causes at least as much destruction and people drive and drink here all the time but we sorta just accept it (to a degree).

I imagine alcohol will stay legal/not really get the same press because 1. More people enjoy drinking alcohol than care about guns. 2. There aren't as many big galvanizing tragedies like with guns.

I'm not really trying to make a point or comparison per se other than possibly the flimsiness of why some things get demonized instead of others.
prohibiting alcohol might be a better comparison to restricting guns than asking someone to harvest their organs, yes. your third paragraph contradicts your fourth?
02-26-2018 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
It's nuts how far critters will go to carve out exceptions/limitations to the 1st 4th 5th 6th and 8th amendments, but the 2nd is sacrosanct.
Who are critters? Legislating bodies?
02-26-2018 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
prohibiting alcohol might be a better comparison to restricting guns than asking someone to harvest their organs, yes. your third paragraph contradicts your fourth?
No. I think is not that hard to parse what I meant but maybe I'm wrong.

I think both comparisons have merit, one to show how personable liberties are sometimes called above common good and one to arcuate why people care about some issues more than others.
02-26-2018 , 12:41 PM
11:15 a.m.

The president is again finding fault with officers who didn't stop the Florida gunman who carried out the massacre earlier this month. Trump says the deputies "weren't exactly Medal of Honor winners."

He tells 39 of the nation's governors, "I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon."

I am so sick of ammosexuals and fake tough guys rn.

      
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