I think its probably a fair criticism that sometimes I cross the line and say things that are mean.

But I also think its important to realize that when you are discussing politics, things are necessarily going to get personal--after all we are talking about people's varying ideas of what is right and wrong. That is just the reality of the situation. Even more so, some things that aren't meant to be personal will be taken as personal by people simply because it is about an idea or view that plays a large part in how a person views themselves.

How many times did bigger get super offended and feel like he was being personally attacked when people weren't intending to do any such thing?

From July 3 thru 5 150 people shoot and 28 killed in just NYC and Chicago

The solution is to disband the police and send in social workers?

Bird have you once yet said how society will work without police and prisons? I know you've been asked and you're awesome at deflecting but I would appreciate a real answer

Is that why you search for your name 42 times a day!?!?

Is it your view that the existence of police prevents murder? If so, do you have any evidence of this?

You are just the most unself aware person in the world
I do believe you don't think you're being mean or douchey, you just can't help yourself, it's a defense mechanism

You are very similar to our president in this manner

Yeah this sounds about right. She also has some weird views on guns iirc. And her foreign policy is pretty meh.

Eternal Vigilance! I actually just clicked on this thread from the subscriptions list because the last post at the time was by kokiri, and I always read kokiri posts.

As usual, you "answer" a question with a question.
Right on cue

Coward

mets you have always been one of the most sensitive posters on POG. It does not surprise me you feel this way.

It will probably involve a bit of introspectiveness. I hear people say "blank is political" as a rationale for dropping all civility or objectiveness. Similar as someone saying " life is unfair" as a pretense for treating people unfair.

Your question was incoherent

How would society look without police and prisons is an incoherent question?

I agree it's ridiculous, but it's your proposal not mine

And me being sensitive is irrelevant to you being self unaware

You take it as people being sensitive but you have zero respect for anyone ever having a different opinion

You act like you are better than everyone. You talk down to everyone

And you still refuse to answer a simple question and instead call it incoherent

If I hadn't seen pics of you I'd bet money you were a bot

How
Would
Society
Look
Without
Police
And
Prisons

I'm willing to elaborate on any of the words or even use them in a sentence

"Mets is losing it guys, he's making no sense!"

Like I really shouldn't get baited into this, but I never learn my lesson.

Ok here you introduce a problem.

Here you introduce a strawman by claiming that anyone has suggested that getting rid of cops and social workers would stop civilian gun violence (no one has said this, which is why it is a strawman). Based on the nest part of your post it seems like you further imply that I was the one who suggested it. And I know I did not. What I have suggested when we discuss it is that eliminating poverty could address an issue like this.

If you are now claiming this was a total non-sequitur to the earlier part of the post ok. But I think it is pretty clear you are implying the problem you first stated is connected to the police. I am merely asking you to provide evidence for that connection. That is not deflection. You want me to answer a question where you have set up a premise I do not agree with. I am sure you can see that asking me to explain a premise that I do not agree with is not going to work, right? I do not believe police prevent murder, so how am I supposed to answer a question like "what are you going to do about murder when you abolish the police". The answer is nothing, because the two are not related, except if you mean the when cops murder civilians. In which case that will help reduce murder.

Still could be. Pictures can be faked.

Why has murder and high crime gone down in Camden, who you have mentioned

Do you think Camden has a bigger or smaller presence on the streets now than they had pre 2013?

you should read about these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformative_justice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice

I don't want to read

I want to hear about it in your own words

I want to learn from you and your extensive knowledge rather than rely on capitalistb trash like Wikipedia

My school went to restorative justice instead of detention for cutting class this past year

Every time they cut they had to sit down with a social worker and discuss why they cut class

Cuts were up about 50% this year

True story

One of the divergent views I see in some people is being against something like "wuhan flu" but completely dismissing the idea violent video games are bad. It's pretty mundane now but with VR etc I could see it becoming a real issue.

Bird I'm not clicking

I'd appreciate you explaining it to me

There has to be some meta data out there about police in cities number of police and crap like that. Even between countries.

Whereas well named when you need him.

Do people think the perception humans have of something is relevant? Like if people perceive there is a chance they will get caught by police ergo they are less likely to do bad stuff, would that count?

If you apply similar logic to something like happiness or equality it could get kind of strange.

Fundamentally I believe that the way to address "crime" (even the idea of "crime" is just a political definition given by the state which itself has a class character) is to identify and then fix the root cause of the crime. I do not believe in punitive actions as it relates to "crime".

This would mean things like eliminating poverty, providing people with access to basic needs like food, shelter, clean water, education, healthcare. Instead of locking people in jail for using heroin, you would provide them with access to clinics and detox centers.

Does that answer your question?