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Old 06-01-2020, 11:56 PM   #25951
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Can’t wait for these people to say they are pro life again.
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Old 06-01-2020, 11:59 PM   #25952
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Wait are they violent or are they peaceful?


If they're neither, what is in between?
It depends what you mean by "violent". I keep putting it in quotes because lots of people consider burning down a Target or looting a store violent. I don't think destruction of private property is violent. But it seems you are asking a semantics question? Because I made it very clear that I believe people are burning, looting, and vandalizing.
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:01 AM   #25953
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You know Bird is right about this because Mitch is going off about outside agitators. They love the idea of taking power away from the victims.
I know I posted it once but I will post it again:

"Outsider agitators is a term which has been used to discount political unrest as being driven by outsiders rather than by internal discontent. The term was popularized during the early stages of the Civil Rights Movement in the United States, when Southern authorities discounted African-American protests as being driven by Northern white radicals, rather than being legitimate expressions of grievances."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_agitators

It is amazing how often history can be a guide when analyzing the present.
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:10 AM   #25954
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some people think there is nothing morally wrong with anyone taking anything from target anytime they want


rich people loot poor people every day of the week
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:18 AM   #25955
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good lord. this is ****ing keystone cops

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Old 06-02-2020, 12:44 AM   #25956
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oh my mother****ing god. i can not believe this idiot mother****ing pig just said this. what. the. ****.

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Old 06-02-2020, 12:46 AM   #25957
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damn, i hope that's fireworks i hear outside my house right now
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Old 06-02-2020, 01:06 AM   #25958
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Old 06-02-2020, 02:19 AM   #25959
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wow, i watched a little bit of mainstream media and their lies are disgusting. omfg, its sick! and sooooo blatant, when you don't watch at all for such a long time. like i haven't really consumed any for several years. and now it's just such obvious propaganda. every ****ing word out of their ****ing mouth is a ****ing lie.

all these stories about how we need the protests to be peaceful. and what they describe as violent protests... wtf man.. i mean it's like birdman said, its the police who are being violent. protesters are almost entirely peaceful, at least compared to the police they are.
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Old 06-02-2020, 02:22 AM   #25960
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1267684722341064704

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Old 06-02-2020, 07:41 AM   #25961
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Dude do you realize how much of a threat peaceful protests are to the status quo? Do you understand how easily they are ignored? How can it not be obvious why you would castigate any "non-peaceful" protests as "outside instigators", "white supremacists", "maga chuds", "opportunist"? The easiest way to stop a non-peaceful protest is to just turn it into a peaceful one.
I don't watch any cable news so the only thing I know about what is going is from youtube/twitter clips that people post.
But it would seem like the easiest way to craft the narrative that one wants is to just ignore anything to the contrary.
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Old 06-02-2020, 08:09 AM   #25962
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Think this is a rare time where most versions of reality are true. Some protestors have gotten violent, obvious we have evidence of cops being violent, some protestors are looting, some white people are increasing racial tensions intentionally, some white people looting, etc.

Too many people doing things, it's all basically happening I'm sure. Doesn't really matter, though, the point of the protests remains.
Still only one reality (afaict). It just is nuanced. But I think you're right that a lot of different things are happening and Birdman is right that the situation is being manipulated.
That should be fairly obvious. Trying to pigeonhole it all into one simplistic narrative doesn't do us any good though.
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Old 06-02-2020, 11:46 AM   #25963
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https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/...camden/549542/
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:17 PM   #25964
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It's pretty accurate
The community generally trusts the police there now, well at least way more than that did prior. I think 2019 the crime numbers went up, but trust has remained in Camden

The police ignore certain really bad areas of Camden where drugs and prostitution are rampant, but are very responsive elsewhere and as I stated earlier, the police walked have in hand with the protesters in Camden on Saturday which I gave stated made new proud
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:27 PM   #25965
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I have no idea about Camden, but in many of the areas where police are walking with protestors its just PR.

The same cops in NYPD that kneeled and stood in solidarity beat the hell out of them as soon as curfew hit.

Until they offer to give up some of their power, change their policy, and turn in their colleagues why should we offer them praise? They aren't actually doing anything except looking good for the camera.
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:50 PM   #25966
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:51 PM   #25967
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That's my general view of everyone who has white privilege (or other kinds of privilege). They ain't giving it up, they may give up someone else's privilege to increase or keep theirs or they will formulate arguments of why they aren't privileged or why they deserve whatever they got, but they ain't giving it up.

Maybe I'm a huge cynic or just projecting.
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:55 PM   #25968
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This posting of black squares today is a huge step up in quality for most people on fb and twitter. It would great if they kept it up Indefinitely.
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:55 PM   #25969
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I don't really get the need for people to connect the two protests. I'd guess the major difference is one being directly against cops and one not.

Predictively I would expect Mayors and Governors and presidents to go with cops /authority because that's what they are the heads of where as legislatures would be more random.
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:56 PM   #25970
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cops kneeling and marching is bullshit
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:58 PM   #25971
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Old 06-02-2020, 01:08 PM   #25972
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I am used to see the Russian police doing whatever the **** they want at protests, but the video of US police driving cars into protesters managed to surprise even me.
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Old 06-02-2020, 01:12 PM   #25973
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are north koreans more free and safe than we americans are?
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Old 06-02-2020, 01:12 PM   #25974
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possible movement on Qualified Immunity:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-immunity.html



have fun reading through some examples of it being applied
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Old 06-02-2020, 01:13 PM   #25975
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are north koreans more free and safe than we americans are?
No. And before you try the Chinese: neither are they.
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