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06-01-2020 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
there are also plenty of people who will vote for either who are not racist

so that is what started this

you are not automatically racist if you vote for trump

im sure you already knew that, but i am glad we came to the conclusion logically
I miswrote that and corrected it. I meant to say Biden, not Trump.
06-01-2020 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
because you said anyone who votes for trump is racist but you wont say that anyone who votes for biden is racist when biden is actually more racist so you are just a clown
Yup and this my friends, is why I put communist/anarchists on ignore. They will lie and do much worst than that to further their agenda. They want to burn down our property. They want a revolution. Why argue with someone who when they lose a fair election, want to burn down your property and abolish the police?
06-01-2020 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
you are not automatically racist if you vote for trump
To respond to this directly--I think you are racist if you vote for Trump. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
06-01-2020 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
because you said anyone who votes for trump is racist but you wont say that anyone who votes for biden is racist when biden is actually more racist so you are just a clown
this is still completely false that biden is "more" racist than trump. its a ridiculous argument premise anyway, but your conclusion is not anywhere close to true.

trump has been sued multiple times inducing by the US DOJ for his business policies towards african americans going back decades, he's been sued multiple times for racial discrimination by his employees, central park 5, birther, racist towards the mexican judge that ruled against him...with literally ZERO remorse. and those are just what i can think up quickly off the top of my head.

its not even remotely close comparatively to bidens poor statements that he later clarified and/or apologized for
06-01-2020 , 12:27 PM
Here's another example of racism I've profited from. This just came to me as a huge issue that I should have known better than to partake in.

When I bought my first home I sent a picture of my wife and myself and wrote a letter to the sellers. My real estate agent told me it's a good idea because sellers often like to sell homes to people who will be perceived to take care of the home and be positives to the neighborhood. Two young professionals seemed like a desirable group! So, we wrote the letter and attached a picture from our wedding. We got the home.

Years go by and we upgraded our home. I asked my realtor about the letter and she said they aren't legal anymore because lots of evidence showed it ended up with white couples getting houses, and minorities not getting them.

I was a total cog in the racist system with my actions. Racism in home ownership is a huge piece of the entire wealth suppression system.
06-01-2020 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Remember that the same guy doing the 2nd autopsy on Floyd is the same guy who (allegedly) observed the Epstein autopsy.
Yeah, I've definitely seen suspicious stuff with regards to that. People are so emotional now and I know police brutality exists, so I'll just "assume" that it happened... No conspiracies allowed...
06-01-2020 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
To respond to this directly--I think you are racist if you vote for Trump. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
yeah +1.

i dont think you were necessarily racist the first time. but you are CLEARLY in with the racism the second time.
06-01-2020 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
this is still completely false that biden is "more" racist than trump. its a ridiculous argument premise anyway, but your conclusion is not anywhere close to true.

trump has been sued multiple times inducing by the US DOJ for his business policies towards african americans going back decades, he's been sued multiple times for racial discrimination by his employees, central park 5, birther, racist towards the mexican judge that ruled against him...with literally ZERO remorse. and those are just what i can think up quickly off the top of my head.

its not even remotely close comparatively to bidens poor statements that he later clarified and/or apologized for
I'd say on this, ive heard a lot of real estate developers in new york got hit by these lawsuits. You are in business for like 50 years in the casino/real estate industry, might get sued.. idk, he had a lot of employees...
06-01-2020 , 12:31 PM
Property ownership plays a huge role in generational wealth, which is why things like redlining make our financial system extremely racist.

To take that a step further, my soon to be born daughter will be born into generational wealth because I am gaining so much equity in my home(s). Playing into the "please sell to white couple, we keep neighborhoods nice!" system shows how little racist systems can cause generations of inequity.
06-01-2020 , 12:31 PM
lol!!! i like how mets keeps trying to prove to birdman that biden is a racist even though birdman has been calling biden racist forever
06-01-2020 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Property ownership plays a huge role in generational wealth, which is why things like redlining make our financial system extremely racist.

To take that a step further, my soon to be born daughter will be born into generational wealth because I am gaining so much equity in my home(s). Playing into the "please sell to white couple, we keep neighborhoods nice!" system shows how little racist systems can cause generations of inequity.
Damn, maybe you should give your money to a black person in reparations? Tell your daughter "sorry, i dont want be involved in systemic racism anymore" and actually do what, you want to vote for, or what you want people to burn down communities for? Or are you fine just sitting on your cozy couch...and just voting for other people to do stuff and feel morally good?
06-01-2020 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Here's another example of racism I've profited from. This just came to me as a huge issue that I should have known better than to partake in.

When I bought my first home I sent a picture of my wife and myself and wrote a letter to the sellers. My real estate agent told me it's a good idea because sellers often like to sell homes to people who will be perceived to take care of the home and be positives to the neighborhood. Two young professionals seemed like a desirable group! So, we wrote the letter and attached a picture from our wedding. We got the home.

Years go by and we upgraded our home. I asked my realtor about the letter and she said they aren't legal anymore because lots of evidence showed it ended up with white couples getting houses, and minorities not getting them.

I was a total cog in the racist system with my actions. Racism in home ownership is a huge piece of the entire wealth suppression system.
i had an ethics professor in law school that made us read a blind study about bankruptcy procedures in which almost unanimously applicants with african american sounding names got worse advise from bankruptcy lawyers and were put into programs where they were required to pay more of their debt back than applicants with white sounding names, keep less of their assets, and stay in the bankruptcy program longer.

eta- and i believe that was normalizing for the fact that white people in general tend to own more assets that survive bankruptcy than minorities.
06-01-2020 , 12:38 PM
chim thats why your commie friends dont believe in inheritance, or property i guess

are you not a full on commie? its nice to own property... its nice to be able to work your way up. if you didnt get that house, u wouldve got another house lol

dont be a idiot, you earned that
06-01-2020 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i had an ethics professor in law school that made us read a blind study about bankruptcy procedures in which almost unanimously applicants with african american sounding names got worse advise from bankruptcy lawyers and were put into programs where they were required to pay more of their debt back than applicants with white sounding names, keep less of their assets, and stay in the bankruptcy program longer.
Wow, that's crazy.

I wish I had the self awareness to not send that letter. I'm advantaged enough, I didn't need to involve proving my whiteness to help my chances.

We all are a part of it, and all have things to learn.
06-01-2020 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Wow, that's crazy.

I wish I had the self awareness to not send that letter. I'm advantaged enough, I didn't need to involve proving my whiteness to help my chances.

We all are a part of it, and all have things to learn.
This is wholesome.
06-01-2020 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
You are assuming that if the cops do something wrong and lose a lawsuit, that money will by necessity reduce the amount the police have to spend elsewhere. But it may just take money from public schools or something.
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
"making taxpayers accountable" isn't going to do **** when the taxpayers don't care about what is happening
taxpayers will probably care about schools losing money
06-01-2020 , 12:43 PM
you cannot in good faith say if you vote for trump you have to be racist but you can vote for biden and not be racist

it's not logical

its a lie
06-01-2020 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
lol!!! i like how mets keeps trying to prove to birdman that biden is a racist even though birdman has been calling biden racist forever
filthy

if you vote for trump, are you racist?

if you vote for biden, are you racist?
06-01-2020 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I miswrote that and corrected it. I meant to say Biden, not Trump.
i can't believe you got them confused!
06-01-2020 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17


To Bird's point earlier, more and more this seems like a logical answer.
the police, as an institution, are merely an instrumentality

how they are wielded and by whom are questions that should be kept separate from whether they should exist to begin with
06-01-2020 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
you cannot in good faith say if you vote for trump you have to be racist but you can vote for biden and not be racist

it's not logical

its a lie
if trump is more racist than biden, then in a decision between the two, picking trump is the more racist decision

QED
06-01-2020 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
you cannot in good faith say if you vote for trump you have to be racist but you can vote for biden and not be racist

it's not logical

its a lie
It's perfectly logical and I explained it. The Democratic party, as awful and terrible and racist as it is, has historically (and I'm referring to basically Reagan and after) SLIGHTLY favored anti-racist policies as compared to the GOP. Support for social programs, less aggressive tax cuts for the wealthy, etc. I am not sure if you are going to make me litigate why these things are slightly less racist than the GOP but I'll refer you back to my post about median wealth of whites compared to blacks. Given black people have way less wealth than white people, when you pass policies that are less disadvantageous to poor people, that also makes them less disadvantageous to black people.

People are wrong to think that elections and "less of two evil" voting is ultimately going to fix the underlying structural issues I have mentioned. But being wrong is different than being racist.
06-01-2020 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
filthy

if you vote for trump, are you racist?

if you vote for biden, are you racist?
piggy-backing on my previous post, you should stop seeing racism as a binary "is or isn't" personal quality


everybody harbors some racial bias, even if innocuous
06-01-2020 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
I'd define racism as actively disliking people from a certain race.
Well thank god you don't write for Webster's, because your definition ****ing sucks.
06-01-2020 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
piggy-backing on my previous post, you should stop seeing racism as a binary "is or isn't" personal quality


everybody harbors some racial bias, even if innocuous
Yeah, this. People really need to accept that basically all white people that are raised in America are going to harbor some latent white supremacy.

      
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