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oh, are you saying this because you think he will be found not guilty? so charges don't matter.

i thought you were saying this because the problem is beyond whatever happens to this particular serial killer cop. the problem is so much bigger than this one murder. the problem police, racism, capitalism, mets etc

both

05-29-2020 , 02:42 PM

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I mean why does anyone give a damn about the Target? Why is that even coming up? That's what makes it seem like racism, you're undermining legitimate issues because you don't like how they reacted.

Why don't we care more about fixing what made them react that way? All sides aren't equal here, they don't both need airtime.

Also, like, burning down a Target isn't even a unimportant side effect. Its a good thing. **** target. They donate a ton of money to the cops in exchange for them setting up stings to catch shop lifters. They also destroy communities the same way wal mart does, they pay their workers starvation wages, etc etc. Target is ****ing awful.

People who defend target are just bootlickers.

05-29-2020 , 02:45 PM

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And this is the specific Target in MN

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Specifically, critics began pointing to a $300,000 donation from Target to the city in 2004 aimed at helping set up surveillance cameras throughout downtown Minneapolis.

Around the same time Target also began a “SafeZone Collaborative,” which saw the company aid the creation of a sprawling surveillance camera system over several dozen blocks of the city.

A 2011 report even details Target’s “forensics lab” in Minneapolis, which has helped local police analyze surveillance footage in criminal cases.

They also closed their doors to the protestors so the protestors couldn't buy supplies.

In short: **** target

05-29-2020 , 02:45 PM

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Target is an ally of the cops. That is why it got burned down. It's not complicated really.

05-29-2020 , 02:47 PM

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If you don't want to get burned down, stop donating larges sums of money to a white supremacist organization that murders black people. Seems pretty simple, right?

Also seems like an obvious target for removal if you are trying to help your community.

05-29-2020 , 02:50 PM

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As usual, Mets, your problem is you focus on pointing out how the actions of victims are negative in your opinion more than (or being generous we can say equal to) the many facets at play that make them victims.

Same old story.

Chim why are you putting words in my mouth

i said i understood why they were rioting

i said i could even accept the damage they did to the police station, cars etc

but no i still dont accept destroying the city

i know people in parts of baltimore that claim their area has not recovered the 2015 riots

05-29-2020 , 02:53 PM

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Mets,

Have you ever experienced a time in life where you just say "Damn, that sucks for those impacted? I'm sorry they are in a situation they deal with this, it's too bad that's what happens here"

without having some qualifier like

"But really, <this group I don't understand at all>, took <some action> and that was bad of them?"

Why do you always have to do that? Why do you feel the need to also attack victims? Is it hard for you to just show empathy for what someone is dealing with? To not always need to take both sides of the story and defend the institutions that cause them harm?

All the goddamn time.

it completely sucks for the impacted. i said that. compeltely. i said it with no but --- and then they started destroying unrelating things and i pointed that out

there was no but but when he was murdered

it is completely awful and unacceptable

05-29-2020 , 02:54 PM

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listen i hate target, i didnt get fired from target but i was probably going to be, they are a piece of **** company who treats many of their employees like ****

that still isnt relevant

05-29-2020 , 02:55 PM

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i dont care if it was target walmart a mosque a church a temple a hardware store a 7-11

05-29-2020 , 02:55 PM

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how proud of yourself are you for all the effort you have expended articulating your super nuanced complaint about the specific tactics used by a bunch of angry rioters who have had to put up with decades of racist policing?

05-29-2020 , 02:56 PM

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listen i hate target, i didnt get fired from target but i was probably going to be, they are a piece of **** company who treats many of their employees like ****

that still isnt relevant

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i dont care if it was target walmart a mosque a church a temple a hardware store a 7-11

so, to you, burning down a mosque and burning down a Target are basically the same thing?

05-29-2020 , 02:57 PM

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Like in Mets mind, what a Target adds to the community is on par with what a mosque adds to the community, apparently.

05-29-2020 , 02:58 PM

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I mean it should be 2nd degree murder, but people smarter than me on this are concerned 2nd degree would maybe not stick because you have to prove the intent to kill, whereas that's not true for 3rd degree.

I do hope they up it to 2nd degree, but I see the reasoning for 3rd degree.

IMO there is clearly intent to kill given what he did for several minutes and I believe it should be 2nd degree, but I'm not completely outraged at announcing 3rd degree at this time.

05-29-2020 , 02:59 PM

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It's also likely that a big reason they arrested him was to protect him.

05-29-2020 , 03:00 PM

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After reading the probable cause statement and charges my assessment of the likelihood of conviction has dropped, there are some things for the defense to work with and the police are represented by good lawyers.

You can read it for yourself here: https://minnesotareformer.com/2020/0...uvin-arrested/

05-29-2020 , 03:00 PM

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i know i initially decried the rioting, but I've revisited my stance and I was wrong. It's not my place to say how people should be protesting here. I don't want further lives to be lost, but I don't give a **** about the property. It can be replaced.

I do feel for small business owners, but this is just something bigger.

05-29-2020 , 03:00 PM

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this is some super important dialogue right here.

05-29-2020 , 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Let's pretend it was totally wrong to burn down Target (which isn't clear, for the record), but let's pretend.

Why do you even feel the need to talk about how bad they are for doing so? Why not "Man, that sucks they felt that was their only recourse, how do we help them not feel that way?"

05-29-2020 , 03:04 PM

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Yup. Same.

05-29-2020 , 03:05 PM

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Why do you even feel the need to talk about how bad they are for doing so? Why not "Man, that sucks they felt that was their only recourse, how do we help them not feel that way?"

Because then Mets would have to address the systemic racism which he believes doesn't exist.

05-29-2020 , 03:08 PM

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"No victim has a moral responsibility to recognize the laws of the oppressor. And, in the same way, he owes no allegiance to a moral code which he did not help construct, about which he was not consulted, and which operates continuously to keep him in his oppressed status."

05-29-2020 , 03:09 PM

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Both the U of M and now MPLS Public Schools have terminated contracts with the MPLS PD.

The actions of the protesters are resulting in real change. Hopefully it continues, gets bigger and bigger, and we can get Bob KKKroll out.

05-29-2020 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaze13

I commend you for making this post.

That was my entire initial point -- it doesn't matter what I think. I don't get a vote. I'm not living their nightmare.

Eybooger too.

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