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05-22-2019 , 10:21 AM
Maybe Barr doesn't consider the Guccifer 2.0 hack of the DNC a "clandestine intelligence activity" under FRCrP 6(e)(3)(D)(iii)(a).

If so, perhaps it has something to do with Barr's monarchistic philosophy & social entanglement with the administration:

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Barr’s social and professional circle was critical in drawing him into Trump’s orbit. Barr pals, including Terwilliger, Cooper, Luttig and former Virginia Attorney General Richard Cullen are part of a group of elite conservative litigators who were once wunderkinds in the the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations. They grew up together and have fought countless political battles alongside one another.

The Trump era has been no different. Cullen represents Pence in the Russia probe. Cooper represents former Attorney General Jeff Sessions. And Luttig was the runner-up for the attorney general post when Trump tapped Barr in December, according to multiple sources.

They are united by a firm belief in a theory of robust presidential power dusted off by Reagan Attorney General Edwin Meese. Known among legal scholars as the theory of the “unitary executive,” they argue that the Constitution grants presidents broad control of the executive branch, including — to take a salient Trump-era example — the power to fire an FBI director for any reason at all.
05-22-2019 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
The claim is that the Mueller report is "grand jury material". FRCrP 6(e)(2)(B)(vi) prohibits "an attorney for the government" from "disclos[ing] a matter occurring before the grand jury".

The question of whether the Mueller report is currently "a matter occurring before a grand jury" is an open one,
We know that there 12 criminal referrals farmed out to other prosecutors. So idk how open it is. It seems to be pretty clear that there are ongoing investigations.
I don't really have the wherewithal currently to go through that link, but your argument seems to be that the "grave hostile act" concerning guccifer supercedes whatever the rationale might be for keeping the other information about the ongoing referrals a secret. Which is fine. At least it is an argument in favor of releasing the material which I haven't heard yet. But I don't think I'm the one being partisan here.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 05-22-2019 at 11:10 AM.
05-22-2019 , 12:16 PM
Here's the thing about Buttgieg going to Fox: the people who watch Fox and other networks can watch him on those other networks. The percentage of people who only watch Fox and will vote for Buttgieg might be exactly 0.
05-22-2019 , 12:20 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...y-numbers-poll

Buttegig is the most likable by far besides the n70 year old white men

You think warren has a better shot at the nom than pete? No way

And yes gaining some fox viewers that don't love trump can easily be the key

Thinking you should ignore them would be like a presidential candidate ignoring michigan and wisconsin ..
05-22-2019 , 12:31 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...-halls-1334096

Good article about whether dems should or shouldn't go on fox

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The Fox town halls have also turned up one other positive side effect, from the point of view of Democratic presidential candidates: They seem to trigger the president.

Hours before Buttigieg’s appearance on Sunday night, Trump tweeted that the network is “moving more and more to the losing (wrong) side in covering Dems” and “Alfred E. Newman [sic],” his nickname for Buttigieg, “will never be President.”


Buttigieg’s campaign welcomed the attention.
As they should

It's possible trump wants anyone but biden and Sanders and gives others like Pete attention to help them on purpose

But it's more likely that Trump is actually a baby and thinks Fox should be his ***** and when they don't he gets mad as hell

Either way i still insist this is going to help Pete

Last edited by metsandfinsfan; 05-22-2019 at 12:36 PM. Reason: Sorry long quote fixed
05-22-2019 , 12:42 PM
Again, I don't think Buttigeig going on Fox was a mistake.

I also don't think Warren telling them to **** off was a mistake either (which is what your claim was).
05-22-2019 , 12:47 PM
Also looks like Infrastructure Week is going great.

LOL at Trump just walking out after three minutes.
05-22-2019 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Again, I don't think Buttigeig going on Fox was a mistake.

I also don't think Warren telling them to **** off was a mistake either (which is what your claim was).
I agree. Warren's hope is appealing to the left while Buttigieg is trying for a more centrist strategy (I imagine). So it suits both of them.
05-22-2019 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
We know that there 12 criminal referrals farmed out to other prosecutors. So idk how open it is. It seems to be pretty clear that there are ongoing investigations.

I don't really have the wherewithal currently to go through that link, but your argument seems to be that the "grave hostile act" concerning guccifer supercedes whatever the rationale might be for keeping the other information about the ongoing referrals a secret. Which is fine. At least it is an argument in favor of releasing the material which I haven't heard yet. But I don't think I'm the one being partisan here.
.....


Luckbox: Show me law that says this disclosure is appropriate

IANAW: Here is the exact code section and a link to the website

Luckbox: Oh, I don't have time to actually look at it, but you're the partisan one.



JLAWOKAY
05-22-2019 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
.....





Luckbox: Show me law that says this disclosure is appropriate



IANAW: Here is the exact code section and a link to the website



Luckbox: Oh, I don't have time to actually look at it, but you're the partisan one.







JLAWOKAY
I would not characterize this discussion this way.
05-22-2019 , 03:12 PM
I was asking what the arguments were. You found some mechanism in the law but is that the argument being made by democrats? We don't know. Meanwhile you posted some link saying that it is an "open question" whether or not the Mueller stuff is still relevant to ongoing investigations when we know for a fact that there are ongoing investigations.

I'm pretty sure I'm looking better here and I'm calling you partisan because you seem to be looking for whatever to make your case..i.e. referencing gufficer as being an ongoing national security threat.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 05-22-2019 at 03:27 PM.
05-22-2019 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Also looks like Infrastructure Week is going great.

LOL at Trump just walking out after three minutes.
You expect trump to negotiate with them and good faith minutes after they leave a meeting about impeaching him?
05-22-2019 , 04:31 PM
Current UK status:

There's a wave of people pelting right wing politicians with milkshakes. Two bob fascist, Nigel Garage is totally hiding in his bus, rather than come out and face the public who might throw a frappucino at him

The prime minister's cabinet have decided she has to quit, so she's gone into hiding and won't let any of them in to see her to tell her so. One of her cabinet members quit, and crucially it's the member whose job it is to file the paperwork for the parliament's agenda every day, so as it stands there's no one to submit the crucial bill to parliament that the prime minister needs to pass to survive even a little. It wouldn't pass anyway.

Oh, and the European elections are tomorrow.

Current status of major party leaders:

Conservative/government: leader in hiding, presumed out within the week
Libdem: leader has announced he's stepping down, can't remember when
ChangeUK: leader tried to quit, but failed
BrexitParty: leader hiding in a bus, suit at the dry cleaners
Labour: not sure what the leader is doing, probably tending his allotment.
Scottish nationalists: leader basically fine
Ukip: not sure, but the whole party are genuine fascists, so best not to ask.
05-22-2019 , 04:44 PM
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05-22-2019 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Current UK status:

There's a wave of people pelting right wing politicians with milkshakes. Two bob fascist, Nigel Garage is totally hiding in his bus, rather than come out and face the public who might throw a frappucino at him

The prime minister's cabinet have decided she has to quit, so she's gone into hiding and won't let any of them in to see her to tell her so. One of her cabinet members quit, and crucially it's the member whose job it is to file the paperwork for the parliament's agenda every day, so as it stands there's no one to submit the crucial bill to parliament that the prime minister needs to pass to survive even a little. It wouldn't pass anyway.

Oh, and the European elections are tomorrow.

Current status of major party leaders:

Conservative/government: leader in hiding, presumed out within the week
Libdem: leader has announced he's stepping down, can't remember when
ChangeUK: leader tried to quit, but failed
BrexitParty: leader hiding in a bus, suit at the dry cleaners
Labour: not sure what the leader is doing, probably tending his allotment.
Scottish nationalists: leader basically fine
Ukip: not sure, but the whole party are genuine fascists, so best not to ask.
is "two bob" like $2?

also great write up! makes me think of "thick of it"
05-22-2019 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
You expect trump to negotiate with them and good faith minutes after they leave a meeting about impeaching him?
1) Yes, if it's something he cares about getting done. Is infrastructure not important?

2) Bill Clinton didn't throw such temper tantrums against congressional Republicans in the 90s. And they actually did impeach him.

3) If anything, Pelosi has been the one trying to temper down the impeachment talk from the more left wing members of the party.
05-22-2019 , 07:10 PM
Pelosi mostly has, because she knows nothing will get done if the goal is impeach

Election day is in 14v months but realistically nothing will get done besides campaigning the last 4

So realistically you decide

Spend 10 months tackling infrastructure, immigration, daca(which the dems don't even bring up anymore), iran, the middle east, health care, pharmaceutical pricing

Or trying to impeach a guy who you are pretty confident you can beat right?

Nancy is a lot of things but she isn't stupid.
Impeachment is a dumb political move

Trump will not work with the dems now but will continue to pass executive orders. The public will see which side is trying to help and which is playing political games

So yes, from a political standpoint, i am rooting for an impeachment push cause i think it helps trump

But for the good of the country, id hope we actually work together to fix things

I can only hope

Last edited by metsandfinsfan; 05-22-2019 at 07:17 PM.
05-22-2019 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by UncleDynamite
Here's the thing about Buttgieg going to Fox: the people who watch Fox and other networks can watch him on those other networks. The percentage of people who only watch Fox and will vote for Buttgieg might be exactly 0.

You have this fake msm preconception about fox viewers

https://pos.org/whos-watching-a-look...nnel-watchers/

Fox news viewers are
53% Republican
23% democrat
18% independent
And i guess 6% other

But yes keep your short sightedness
05-22-2019 , 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
You have this fake msm preconception about fox viewers

https://pos.org/whos-watching-a-look...nnel-watchers/

Fox news viewers are
53% Republican
23% democrat
18% independent
And i guess 6% other

But yes keep your short sightedness
I'm entertained watching Rachel Maddow
05-22-2019 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark_K
I'm entertained watching Rachel Maddow
I like getting annoyed at Chris Cuomo sometimes too
05-22-2019 , 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Pelosi mostly has, because she knows nothing will get done if the goal is impeach

Election day is in 14v months but realistically nothing will get done besides campaigning the last 4

So realistically you decide

Spend 10 months tackling infrastructure, immigration, daca(which the dems don't even bring up anymore), iran, the middle east, health care, pharmaceutical pricing

Or trying to impeach a guy who you are pretty confident you can beat right?

Nancy is a lot of things but she isn't stupid.
Impeachment is a dumb political move

Trump will not work with the dems now but will continue to pass executive orders. The public will see which side is trying to help and which is playing political games

So yes, from a political standpoint, i am rooting for an impeachment push cause i think it helps trump

But for the good of the country, id hope we actually work together to fix things

I can only hope
1) I'm confused as to what you think Pelosi should have done in her spot. There is a significant push by members of her party to start the impeachment process. She can't ignore them.

2) Why is the onus solely on Democrats to "work together"? Does Trump have any responsibility to do anything? I thought he was some great deal maker.

3) If Trump really wants to cut down on this impeachment talk, he could start doing things like telling Steve Mnuchin to release Trump's tax returns to Ways and Means and not telling Don McGahn to defy congressional subpoenas.
05-22-2019 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
I thought he was some great deal maker.
i don't think you really thought that
05-22-2019 , 09:08 PM


You got me.
05-22-2019 , 09:09 PM
Trump is not releasing his tax returns

He would be stupid to

No good can come from it

If you think that's worth no infrastructure bill yes that's the dems choice

Trump will continue to use executive actions to fund the border and Congress will get nothing done and see how that plays

Im not faulting pelosi. She agrees with me which is why she's trying to keep the dems in line. But it looks like she's destined to fail

And then she makes the comments out loud today about trump obstructing in plain site which contradicts me saying she's being smart about this. But that's to placate the base and nbd i guess.
05-22-2019 , 11:06 PM
Actually eyebooger

Pelosi stopped for reporters on the way to the white house "trump is involved in a big coverup"

5 minutes later "Donald let's work together pal!"

      
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