I still kinda have trouble wrapping my head around the amount of cognitive dissonance created when the same people who absolutely pillory Mets for espousing positions less misogynistic than those of the broader Republican Party and basically every single member of it can turn around and say that none of those things are actually important enough to be worth casting a vote for democrats over

It blows my mind

your position blows my mind too

This describes almost every single person in the thread. ^

I said I don't feel included as a woman. You seem to be reacting really strongly to that, so maybe its a you problem.

You can stop attacking me now, btw. Its not doing anything except making me lulz.

In a more academic context someone might describe the view as "reflecting the perspective of hegemonic masculinity", or something obscure like that, which may make clearer the idea that calling it a "male perspective" doesn't mean only that it's a perspective being offered at some time by a man, although it does mean a perspective more typically offered by men. But there's plenty of feminist literature about how women also participate in reproducing patriarchy or hegemonic notions about gender.

this conversation about inclusion could inform someone's master's thesis on intersectionality :P

Hey I'm Birdman, You shouldn't feel included Xnerd, you're a white woman!! You benefit!! I'm here to talk to all the white MEN!

Gtfo

I have no intentions of writing a thesis on intersectionality

I agree it describes almost everyone itt. And I understand it doesn't include you, but it includes billions of other people, many of whom are women. I am not trying to attack you.

Yeah that sounds like me, you know I always talk about how we really need to worry about protecting white men.

You’re acting kinda like an ******* right now imo

Maybe just think about how you might include a white woman in our imperialism talks, instead of geeking out. You have no problem including the white men of the thread. All I’m sayin...

Sure, I can try. Can you tell me what would make it easier for you to feel included? Serious question

Talk about how it relates to me, how it affects me, in what ways things would change or be better for me with the idea in mind that I'm in a far more precarious position than you. We are not the same, we don't come from the same spot, we won't end in the same spot. I need to know more about where I fit into it all, not just you.

Is that fair?

Abolish prisons:

https://www.facebook.com/WeOpposeRel...3104815820805/

birdman is clearly being far more sexist than mets was being racist, I know that much

I'd make that into a witty haiku but I can't be bothered

Again, I can try. But it is important to keep in mind that my opposition to imperialsim is not necessarily attenuated to me/my benefits or you/your benefits. I get the impression that you think my stance against imperialsim envisions an improvement for me which I’m not sure it does

we might not get a better world, especially not right away.

we might lose our cruises, michelin restaurants, tenants, maids, comfy and relatively safe lives. but it'd be worth it if we lived in a better world where people were happier and treated each other better.

i mostly agree with birdman and disagree with crossnerd in the recent discussion. BUT it's def not a hill i want to die on. there are much bigger problems in the world, and bigger idiots in this thread than crossnerd and her feminist agenda! if her(and mine) feminist agenda were implemented it would be an improvement. no doubt. and she gets much much much more than her share of abuse around here, so i def don't want to pile on.

i say with love to crossnerd that birdman is mostly right in his criticisms. and his criticisms are somewhat narrow. he largely agrees with you. but the empire and dems hurt many women

look cross, let us mansplain feminism to you

late show stephen colbert hilarious video of how he made children's book out of trump's inappropriate responses to hurricane. i laughed hard at this **** yo

~2 minute vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFj4vOc4GIY

Filthy, you just illustrated my exact point when you said dems and empires are bad for women as if you are choosing between bad and not bad.

I’m saying MY choices are ALL BAD. I am in the position where I have NO CHOICE but to root for the least of the evils.

We are not all in the same position.

So when people wax poetic about even more radical ideas than the ones already on the table like, hey maybe a woman owns her own body, I get to say well lucky ****ing you for having those choices or even getting to come from a place where you THINK you have those choices. It’s a distinctly male perspective.

The analogy would be better stated like if you can’t handle a simple hangnail what makes you think you can handle the train. Get real.

i agree with first and last sentences. my only disagreement is over what is the least of the evils.

can you acknowledge that there are many women who are much much worse off than you are, who are so marginalized and desperate that the difference between dems and repubs is not worth their energy? they need their energy for survival.

does that make sense?

we should discuss it on our cruise, or maybe over a michelin dinner