i have more of a moral problem with taxing the rich too high than a belief that it will all trickle down without government intervention

keeping the tax low on businesses and capital gains is more important to me than keeping the highest income tax rate low, but i still dont htink we should have 50% rates

i asked you to repost the israel video, but you also dont listen to anything i have to say on it as well

Ok so your argument is basically any social upheaval would not lead to a better society?

That is a fairly bold stance imo

Is it ironic or just funny that I think Mets and his ilk have a far greater chance of bringing on the revolution than Birdman, Filthy, and their comrades lol

Any reason for believing any of this?

No, my stance is that any system that I believe falls in the range of possible outcomes post communist revolution would not be an improvement. There are certainly outcomes that are theoretically possible that I would consider an improvement, I just don’t think any of those have a realistic shot of actually happening

Range of possible outcomes is poorly phrased - I meant realistic possible outcomes

Interesting that Herbie would have been on the side of King George III, Louis the XVI, and the Russia Czars

But again you’ve already said your assumption is not based on any post I’ve made, you said that a revolution could not lead to a better world

Can you elaborate on this?

The ridiculous amount of extrapolation required to get from what I posed to here means there’s no reasonable way to confirm or refute it, but I can say that there is not nearly enough evidence to state this as either fact or reasonable inference

Basically, Herbie, I understand what you meant to say I’m just trolling you. What you mean to say is “based on what I think communism is, I think capitalism is better”. But you just tried to spruce that banal and uninformed opinion up by attributing a communist vision to me and phrasing it in a intellectual sounding way

Given the particulars of where we are right now I genuinely believe that. That doesn’t mean I don’t think a revolution in different circumstances couldn’t lead to a better world, or that a revolution won’t be necessary in the future. You extrapolate way too far from what I say

I want to know how you can argue against a world you claimed I’ve envisioned when you admitted you have no idea what world I envision. Or feel free to rephrase the opening to that post if you feel you didn’t mean what you said

Birdman can I think

knowing how much my parents struggles in the 70s and did well in the 80s is a start

i dont need evidence to have a moral belief that its wrong to punish people for being successful

i know i work harder at jobs that have merit raises and bonuses than at union jobs. well not true, im a new teacher and will work my ass off. but yes i think merit incentive always works, and i think punishing people who make money doesnt

my friend is a psychiatrist in colorado and stopped taking patients in 2015 because he didnt want to make over 250 because "hed be workijng for free"

regardless what evidence do you have that marxism will work when most of the communist regimes have failed? i knwo ive asked this before

Since Stalin was hugely in favor of the State of Israel i've hoped we'd see eye to eye one day!

I argued against a world I think you envision because you want the revolution to happen. If I’m wrong about what kind of world you envision then I still don’t agree with you but for different reasons. So I withdraw any claims to know or suppose what kind of world you see post revolution if that makes you feel better

I’m not sure how having a friend that doesn’t understand math advances your case?

Maybe you will find this interesting birdman

https://fee.org/articles/the-jewish-...ary-communism/

he understood math, and so did his accountant.

Then he’s clearly subject to the secret 100% psychiatrist tax in Colorado that is so poorly understood

As a bird watcher this post seems relevant to my interests but I'm not sure if you are wrong or not..

Like if I see something that is flying like a woodpecker with a white rump and I'm in the right area then I know it is a northern flicker. The factual finding can simply be 'this is the only possible animal that matches those characteristics in this habitat'.

Sort of like 'if I see a mostly red bird in Wisconsin in December then it is a male cardinal'. I'm not sure that counts as a tautology. I don't think it is. You seem to be conflating 'if A then B' style arguments with 'if A then A' tautologies.

But I suppose based on the rules we established earlier him working for free is a factual statement so we can move on lol

It does make me feel better. Thank you for withdrawing that.

Next point I’d like to clarify...

Instead of overstepping and assuming what I think you mean, instead I’ll just ask you to elaborate on what you mean when you said “you want the revolution” If you wouldn’t mind

As far as I can tell you have argued both that

In order to have a communist system a country must first undergo a communist revolution in addition to some other stuff and

You think we should have a communist system here because it is superior to capitalism

Based on those two points I inferred that you think we should have a communist revolution here