“Yes, it is true that the science does not definitively tell us that global warming increases the frequency of hurricanes,” former vice president Al Gore said to the Sierra Club on Sept. 9, 2005, weeks after one of the strongest hurricanes in U.S. history made landfall. “But it is also true that the science is extremely clear now, that warmer oceans make the average hurricane stronger.”

tbh, i'm not 100% on human pollution ruining the planet's climate. i don't see how anyone could be 100%. it's a very complex system, and we are idiots.

the sun is probably the biggest factor in the earth's climate.

but if i had to guess(which we all do imo) massive pollution on a global scale is probably not good.

i mean even if it's a 1% chance that our pollution is ruining the planet, that's an incredibly serious threat that warrants extreme action.

1% chance that 10 billion people die. that's ev of a 100 million people

at usa being a global leader on fighting climate change. come on. you can't believe that

obama is a known liar

Jesus **** this thread is exhausting

i don't have perfect answers. but criticizing dems(and voting for someone better) is better than voting for dems imo. obviously we disagree. and we probably aren't going to change each other's mind.

i'm sure you don't want uncriticized dems. i should have explained better that voting for them is too close to giving them my approval.

the whole idea of a democracy is representative govt, and voting for candidates you believe in who represent your needs.

I was merely saying people need to stop bringing up that the GOP denies global warming but the democrats do not as if that is something to be proud of. I am not the one who keeps pointing this out as some kind of achievement.

It’s much better when you continually poke at the one or two Trump supporters in the thread by pointing out his individual moral failings and then demanding they explain to you when they are going to stop supporting him.

You can't deal with second grade science and economics and politics until you've passed kindergarten, and the one party in charge hasn't done that yet.

When you say stupid **** like there's no difference between them in order to make a cheap political jab, you're completely missing that reality.

I didn’t say there was no difference, I said that the environment is going to get destroyed whether the Democrats or GOP are in power.

*sigh*

ITT: two people more interested in throwing potshots from the sidelines than actually effecting change wonder why a nominee for a major office won't answer a very complicated question in a five second sound bite; everyone else wonders why we have to listen to them

Especially when at least one of them hasnt seen one of his posts in ages

Ironically it is the opposite. The plan of the elite is to save the environment. Unfortunately their plan for going about this is to kill everybody.

lol

so, filthy, what's the plan to reverse climate change immediately?

We should like start shutting down coal plants quickly, right, since that's a big source of pollution and greenhouse gases and stuff?

no u

let's see how complicated the question is.....


birdman, are you anti war? do you support withdrawing all usa troops from the middle east?

let's see birdman (and filthy) ignore everything that will happen after we do what he wants!

Birdman I appear to have misinterpreted what you were asking me. I told you that I think your conclusions are myopic and off base and you asked why. When I answered many of your critiques started with saying that my point was either ideological or argument by assertion, which is not really a critique of what I’m saying because the large majority of it was my opinion complete with a healthy chunk of my ideology and bias. I wasn’t attempting to, nor do I have any desire to undertake, a technical point by point academic debate of all of those things and the biases and ideology and facts that undergird them, because it would take forever and accomplish nothing. In large part this is because communism as an academic exercise is largely without the kinds of glaring logical flaws and inconsistencies that most of the systems of government that I think actually work better all possess. Libertarianism shares the same flaw/feature here. If you genuinely believe that the real world results of communist governments have worked out better than the real world results of “liberal democratic capitalist” governments then ok, but you will never convince me of that.

any candidate i'd support would be able to answer that question very easily and very simply. they wouldn't even need 5 seconds.

you might be convinced if you lived in one of the countries being bombed, or if you were in usa prison, or when the planet is destroyed by liberal democratic capitalists

i like when montecore used to come in here and talk about his slaves, and how happy they were

This news may not have reached the rock that you live under, but the Democrats haven't had much control over this country lately. The official GOP platform for the past decade has amounted to little more than doing the exact opposite of everything that Obama tries to do. Obama raised fuel economy standards substantially. Obama spent tons of money on mass transit projects so people wouldn't drive as much in the first place. Obama tried to force states to substantially lower pollution from their power plants, and Republicans threw the kitchen sink at him to try to stop the regulations from taking effect. (Trump promised to undo them, of course.) And at the state level you have things like bans on single-use plastic bags.

This isn't intended to be a complete list, either. For example, Republicans in Congress tried repeatedly to repeal regulations requiring increased light bulb efficiency.

maybe i shouldn't have been so glib herbie. i actually do have a point that is worth considering. we are the beneficiaries of liberal capitalism. our views have to be colored by that.

lots of people have been and are currently being exploited/killed so we can live our lives the way we do.