They are necessary in the sense that without them many people would die. But my point is that ultimately capitalists need labor. So either they are going to pay a living wage or the will make the government make up the difference.

I like the theory that when the rich stop needing large parts of labour, which will happen soon enough, then that will be the cutoff point when a wide scale UBI gets implemented and everyone will live happily, as opposed to taking care of people during the time when they're giving you 60-hour work weeks in return. Totally makes sense.

Yeah these are rose colored glasses.

Okay, let's make this work. How about we SIGNIFICANTLY increase teacher pay?

Studies show that other countries are better at this.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown...und-the-world/

How about we dump a ton of money into education?

He did, but I think he went about it the wrong way. Pretty much everyone now regards NCLB as a failure.

Gut reaction tells me this is wrong. Do you have any data or logical rationale for this belief?

I'd posit that schools should not be funded by property tax. It perpetuates the cycle of poor area -> ****ty school

I don't pretend to have all the answers either, but I think everything I said is reasonable enough to consider.

NCLB punishes schools who need the most help.

It is an asinine policy borne of the vagrancy of the rw bootstrap ideology (which itself seems to be simply a self-gratification routine).



Standardized testing is straight up social eugenics. A student's social/economic merit cannot be determined by a series of math problems or reading comprehension drills.

I don't think teachers need more money; I think schools need more resources.

I would rather a teacher work because they love the job than because they can get more for it.


Of course, teachers do deserve more money.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-the-data.html

Long iskand ny generally has excellent schools,

Probably because it has some of the highest paying districts

And obviously one of the highest paying property taxes



I do wish we could revamp the system. But it still might not help

Im a likel candidate to get a job in a low performing district near me. The demographic is 100% minority. The high school had shootings. The state got involved, oversee more of it. The test data improved slightly since the state got involved but it's still really low

Ive done 2 interviews and a demo lesson, and my references have told me they've been contacted. One reference, my mentor this past year says she gives me so much credit to even apply in this district, she wouldn't.

I hope to get the job. It pays about the same as others, and i enjoy teaching low performing students and hope to help them. That's why i loved running the learning center for a few years. I also have had other interviews but haven't gotten anything else. I have a leave of absence job from Sept to feb already as a backup plan

What would make a teacher want to teach in this district over another? 30% more pay than better performing districts? Would that make sense?

I don't know how to fix the problem

It could be bad teachers in bad districts

Bad supplies

Some of it is "bad parents"

By that i mean single working parents, parents never home, parents not speaking english, parents not checking kids homework because they raise 8 kids and have 3 jobs

And i don't know the solution to that either

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So yes we need to find ways to improve districts with poor performance. Some states have been shutting down poor performing schools and replace them with charter schools.

The idea of charter schools would be good but charter school teachers generally are expected to work more hours and more days for less pay so it's hard to get the quality you'd want

The idea of nclb requiring standards was good. Passing every kid isn't. Working hard to help every kid pass is.

Teachers are generally going to get paid more money in "white"districts than in minority districts based on property tax

So better teachers are going to go to better districts with the current system in general

Do we take this approach with any other profession?

This is partially true.

The issue is without a standard every school can teach different material and we have no idea what anybody learned

Punishing poor performing schools isn't a good solution i agree. The data is necessary to know what schools are poor performing

The standards are generally too high though
I get why but they defeat the real purpose

We should.

And taxation can get us there, markets be damned!

Not only is the process flagrantly biased/unfair, but the measurements themselves are poor.

Individual student achievement should speak for itself within individualized contexts; what we have instead is a bureaucratized approach to sort-by-numbers advancement. We are attempting to objectify subjective merit.

Mets, you should know better than maybe anyone else itt about "teaching the tests" and the associated opportunity costs of engaging student creativity.

I think the working environment goes much further than salary re: employee appeal.

By working environment if you mean clientele then yes

And as i said there isn't really a way to fix that

What exactly are we talking about here when we say "working environment"?

If there is pressure by the administration to improve test scores, and the test scores are beyond the teachers' ability to control due to environmental factors, the teachers are going to have a bad time.

I know i spoke about it in interviews recently

I once tutored a girl for math sat

She couldn't do any math

She got a 250 math on her sat

Her parents paid several thousand

And i got her to a 500

Money well spent right?

Ps, this girl still couldn't do math. I taught her how to eliminate choices and plug answer choices into a calculator

I have a serious dilemma with that but it was my job

If i get the job i was talking about they flat out said they mostly care about those test scores for middle school so they do math 90 minutes per day, finish the curriculum by april and spend may on test prep. It is what it is but at least that are making math double periods

If the teachers' resources are strapped to the point where they are constantly having to apologise to their students and/or compromise their students' privacy, the teachers are going to have a bad time.

This is true to some degree, but if not for the pressure the students might learn less

They are spending an entire month teaching kids how to take a test...

Pretty much

Holding the teacher accountable for the progress of the student deprives the student of agency and excuses the parent of neglect.

I agree for the most part

All schools today excuse parents of neglect

If the teacher's lesson plans are transparent, and if the school pays attention to student feedback, the teacher's performance can be gauged without putting the cart before the horse.

Reliance on scantrons is just lazy, at best.