I played in Batm's recent game in question, and for the most part I had a good time.
I think that the people playing on D1 for the most part had a good time as well. There was a lot of fun chat going on.
Dwetzel was very much a wet blanket in this game.
There are two primary things that can "ruin" a game for me.
Thinking that the game may have been rigged.
And players complaining excessively.
Dwetzel should not have played this game. He was hating on it before it even started. He repeatedly asked for himself to be killed. Like seriously, a player in the game asking for themselves to be killed is ridiculous. There's protocol for subbing out. Batm claims to have offered a sub, and it was turned down. This is ridiculous.
However, Batm may have gone too far with responding to questions in such a way as to damage the integrity of the game. I don't think that he intended to do this, and he was put in a very difficult situation when players were asking him whether or not "bad" meant wolf. I'm not sure what the right answer to that question is.
Dwetzel seems to be going way too far with this. If there were something that I could say that's a major turnoff to someone such as me who's pretty noobish, it's this attitude. It's something I just don't want to be around. I'm bringing this up, as I assume that you all enjoy having new players come out once in a while. Dwetzel is helping to ensure that doesn't happen.
I agree that Batm's game went farther than others have with changing some aspects of the game that are normally taken as absolute. However, the idea of good meaning wolf is not without precedent, and the game*I played before this - "Venture Brothers" was one where the good guys were the wolves. The difference here is that the wolves didn't know they were wolves at the beginning.
Batm also made it clear when the game started, as well as later on, that the wolves didn't know who each other were yet. This was explicit.
Everyone assumed good = village, and bad = wolf... but this is not an absolute in werewolf.
Time keeps getting away from me for family stuff. I'm not inclined to ban either of you even though you both totally deserve it, and know that, and posted that way ON PURPOSE as a rhetorical tool to further express your madness at each other. Which is annoying because now I'm pretty much giving you a pass about breaking forum rules on purpose. I'm within my rights to do all sorts of ban / infraction / whatever.
BATM: I don't care about your games, really. What I do care about is you actively recruiting people into a WW game that was, by even a charitable interpretation, broken and dumb. I also have a large problem with you modding the game in a way that made you an active participant in the game, influencing decisions and outcomes beyond the available information.
If you want to run games with that much interference or "AIDS," you need to advertise them as a BATM game that is not actually WW. It just shares elements.
As a WW game, that game was broken and a waste of time for anyone who really was looking for a WW game. The fact that you recruited people - you sent me the PM as well - to play WW in that thread is evidence that you knew you were tricking people and trolling them. The reaction is not surprising to me, because after the first day I would've been pissed too.
I'm reminded of a vanilla game that office dog ran where the role PMs were so incompetent that no one knew they were a wolf, and chaos ensued. This is a lot like that.
You modded very badly and should acknowledge that, which you have in your way sort of done.
In the future, don't run abysmal games and call them werewolf and waste everyone's time. If you ever do, you'll be banned from modding.
With regard to your posts in this thread, you continually insist on making unacceptable personal attacks in a routine, grating, arrogant and immature manner. And then you whine about other people being mean to you. I don't care who said what first, you cannot do that. I know you know this, because I communicate this to you via PM on a regular basis, and you still do it.
Instead of banning you, I will shortly be hitting you with a significant infraction. It will last a year. You will fix this or you will again be infracted, and that will almost certainly be a significant ban.
DWETZEL: I understand your frustration. I do NOT understand the magnitude of it. At some point you must have realized you had blown up, probably around the part where you started bringing up his child. That's bad, dude. No matter how ****ty his game, you don't know him or his family and that's cruel.
I've politely asked you tone this part of your repertoire down, and I'm sure you mostly try. But your comments in here are beyond the pale, on purpose, and you know that.
I can easily imagine myself getting furious and saying awful stuff too, and I acknowledge that me working on this spat is pretty questionable given my history in the "try hard / game integrity" camp vs. the "lol / you're too serious" camp. But I think you knew what you were doing and knew I had, because I can relate, tried to extend you a lot of rope.
You too are going to get a significant infraction. I anticipate this barely mattering to you, because you'll control yourself. But if you don't, it'll be your decision.
BOTH OF YOU: I like having both of you here. I don't want either of you gone, at all.
I also do not appreciate you trying to force me to take action against each other. I expect you to help maintain this community, and that's gonna mean tolerating each other's existence in it.
I think you both went scorched earth and tried to be martyrs. I'm taking that away from you by not banning you.
The infractions last a year. I hope you won't get yourselves banned by forgetting or ignoring that you've been unmistakably warned that your posting cannot be openly hostile in the way this thread became.
I work overnights so when I woke up to take a piss yesterday I checked my phone and saw the temp ban. I was half asleep and I then wrongly assumed WW was some joke of a game, after yesterday and today I realize that for those playing it is serious business. I was wrong to think a temp ban would impact payment or that a ban here needs to be cleared with mods and posters in every forum.
I look forward to rubbing my fantasy money on my titties and I also look forward to playing some WW since it somehow transforms regular people ,I use that term lightly, into complete lunatics.
Lol me
Lol rawrs
Lol WW
Enjoy it. I will join your leagues next year and rub your monies on my tittays
wow, thanks guys! i'm trying. it's hard. i'm getting little small time gigs, but nothing big. i'm always thinking of moving to LA, but i don't know if i ever will. in 2 or 3 weeks i have a meeting with an LA talent agency. hopefully something good comes from it.
wow, thanks guys! i'm trying. it's hard. i'm getting little small time gigs, but nothing big. i'm always thinking of moving to LA, but i don't know if i ever will. in 2 or 3 weeks i have a meeting with an LA talent agency. hopefully something good comes from it.