tom, you need to either read up on why he was banned in the first place and explain why it was wrong, or just accept that it was justified. you can't just look at dice's recent behavior and conclude that he's not a bad enough guy to have been banned in the first place. that would be illogical.

yet you object to a neutral party weighing in:

the opinions of affected parties and not are both irrelevant here, brilliant!

wolfy contradiction imo

Ivers; I think it's just a difference of opinion on the entire concept of punishment and rehabilitation. I would make a very bad prosecutor as I would let everyone off easy, haha.

But I felt it prescient for me to talk about my positive experiences with him precisely because I don't know the backstory. To me he's just a POG regular like you or Redd or Dwetz.

But I'm done talking about it, I hope you all can compromise with him rather than outright perma ban him again, that's all.

My opinion so far is that

a) the attitude towards evading the ban is a problem

b) I think diceman has been fine for the last year. I've played many games with him and never had an issue.

I don't think (b) entirely excuses (a) but I think it's worth taking into account. If I had to do something right this second I'd ban him for some period of time for the perma evasion and then let him come back (obv with some heightened scrutiny) given the fact that he's not really been a problem as thediceman

I find Tom's attitude towards all this way more reasonable than comparing gazz's offenses to assault and murder

As far as what will actually happen, I dunno. Whatever moocher wants imo

If there are a bunch of people who do not like me for what I have done in the last year, I would like to hear about that.

I will never win over the people that were around in the magic_gazz days, I burnt too many bridges.

I am not a horrible guy and it is upsetting to think there are people out there that have bad feelings towards me.

Look we all know you love a good troll but this is not the time or place.

Soah was around at the time and was one of the people who had a disliking to me.

well named is the Softest Touch in the West, lol

the parole hearing would not be decided by the parolee either, yet you seem to think that's justified here

like, multiple people got together and decided you had to go if you did something else

then you did it anyway, so off you went

then a bunch of other people reviewed your case at your request and said nope, you still had to go because you did too much stuff to be allowed back

and then you said "**** all those people, I wanna play"


is this a correct assessment of the situation? If so, and it seems that you stipulate to these facts, then yes I have an issue, and nothing you can do in terms of not ****ing up a particular game here and there will change that

This might open a can of worms but

Someone explain to me how banning diceman and unbanning Xnerd makes sense?

Dudes been playing for a year no problem, why do we think that's gonna change now?

And yet I wasn't even involved in any of the games that led to you being banned. I'm as neutral of an observer as possible.

It was the same people who were vocal about me being banned that were the ones who were vocal about me not coming back after being banned for a whole year.

Similar faces are already appearing in this thread.

i agree with this mostly

i'm a softy though

i feels bad kicking people out of hte internet but i wasn't around for the magicrazzz stuff

only his supporters may speak in this thread tho, br0

sorry, i don't make the rules

you're STILL arguing that "see, me just telling all authority to go take a hike was justified because I feel wronged" here

some people just don't get it I guess, whatever

This is trivially true imo

Tom's attitude is extremely healthy

yeah - this seems absurd

When did he even get banned? Early 2012 or something?

Were you not a mod at the time and good friends with the person who most wanted me banned.

You never sounded neutral in any of the previous threads involving me.

Again you are someone who I have no idea why you have such an issue with me.

I could understand if VoraciousReader was in here as I ****ed her over real bad being part of ruining a well designed and run game. I could understand if Crossnerd was in here, I don't expect her to ever forgive me either. But some people I can not understand why they have such an issue with me. Its like everything I say to them is taken the wrong way.

nobody compared magic's offenses to murder. dwetz was drawing an analogy about the process for banning and unbanning/imprisoning and paroling.

after Burn Notice

Never forget.

Lol, that game had all sorts of AIDs then.

How did this get discovered?