this just makes me miss the grievance thread so much

You dont take responsibility for anything I guess..

cuz this posts reeks of "well I know I did something wrong but oh well, I want to play anyways so going to avoid taking responsibility for it and make a new account"

Tom, the background is that he got a probation period and in the view of the mods at that time insa-violated it and got perma'd after they bent way, way over to not perma him originally.

From the WW fouls thread:

Date: June 19th, 2012
Player Name: magic_gazz
Game Thread: Burn Notice
Reason: Failure to Participate/Sabotaging own team (#7189)
Action Taken: 2 week suspension (ends July 3rd, 2012)

Notes: Magic_gazz conceded and outed himself as a wolf under no pressure as a way to quit playing the game.

This directly hurts his team's chances of winning the game, is disrespectful to them, the game mod, and the other players, and also violates the rules about participation.

If you sign up for a game of werewolf, you should be prepared to play the game out no matter what your role is. If you are randed wolf, and reach a point where you think the game in unwinnable, but your teammates don't agree to concede, you can't unilaterally concede for them, or out yourself so you don't have to keep playing. This is poor sportsmanship and will not be tolerated.

If you truly feel you can't continue to participate, you must at the very minimum contact the game mod and request a sub. Using sub requests excessively to quit games you are no longer interested in, however, is also very poor etiquette, harmful to games, and won't be tolerated. But at the very least in a situation like this it would be preferable to simply outing oneself and quitting.

The point is: Don't sign up for a game unless you are going to play. Werewolf is a team game. Several dozen people may be playing, and their time and effort deserves respect. Don't quit games in a way that makes them worse for everyone else. Always talk to the game mod, request a sub. Realize that if you make a habit out of quitting games in the middle, you will soon not be allowed to play werewolf games in POG

Date: July 12th, 2012
Player Name: Magic_Gazz (742617000027)
Game Thread: WSoWW 1.a
Reason: Failure to particpate in f5, causing game to break.
Action Taken: 6 month probation (until January 15, 2013)
Discussion Thread: WW Court: Magic_gazz

The action taken here has less to do specifically with the occurence in this game and more with the general pattern of problems that have occured with magic. A WW Court was called to try to decide if further punishment was warranted, given that at the time this game happened, it wasn't known that the player was a magic_gazz gimmick.

The official decision is here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=503

Update: Subsequent to this thread magic was also modkilled for failure to participate in the Survivor (non-ww) game. He is now perma-banned rather then on suspension.

yes

care to guess how that turned out?

If the option is skirt the rules or never play in POG again (magic_gazz was NEVER getting unbanned) then that is the choice I made.

It really is a complement to the level of games that are run on this site. I really like playing here.

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A permanent ban just means it doesn't have an expiration date. It doesn't mean it can't be reversed later.

A lot of poggers, including me, have been perma-banned at some point.

I'll play devils advocate

I think enforcing some kind of standard is worthwhile

But I also wonder if the standards are worth it if they mean someone who enjoys playing WW games and is a decent player who doesn't mess up games isn't allowed to play with us anymore

I just don't know if that's effective justice

It's a game, guys

We should have fun and encourage people to have fun with us

That's how I see it

You guys went from 2 weeks to 6 months?

Inquisition up in this bitch

That guy that ruined the game I mentioned before? I only banned him for 3 haha

I also lol'd at "WW court"

For a second, try reading my posts objectively.

I take responsibility for all the things I did wrong. I refuse to take responsibility for something that was not my fault. That should not uspet people or cause them to be mad.

J.D I took responsibility for it and I was banned, some people do not think so but I think a lifetime ban is probably a bit too much.

First they banned the cheating McAvoy, and I did not speak out —
Because I was not a cheater.
Then they banned the post-game rager BWG, and I did not speak out —
Because I was not a post-game rager.
Then they came for the WIM-less dice, and I did not speak out —
Because I was not WIM-less.
Then they came for me and my FPS — and there was no one left to speak for me.

Why are you talking in this weird third person?

I don't play much these days, so I shouldn't get a vote in any case, but fwiw I feel confident deferring to the judgement of our sensible mods on this one (minus well named obv).

dicedude, there are like 100 places to play mafia on the internet and thingyman knows all 100 of them. seek a new one out imho.

I think I've played 2 games with dice and although I don't particularly agree with some of his game play that is by no means anything worth being banned for.

Based on what I'm reading and my short stint here it seems clear to me that dice has made an effort to improve himself and I'm willing to believe he feels at least some remorse for his actions.

However some repercussion has to be enforced for stepping around his perma ban. He seems to have made progress and I think perma banning seems harsh but completely uplifting his sentence is also not the right course of action

nice crosspost

lol ive used that same thing before when talking about bannings

also I realize not being subjected to his earlier offences obviously affects my view of him but it can't hurt to get different perspectives.

lol

what was the point of this post?

just to get a little extra brown-nosing in?

He's been outed

He knows the deal

He wants to keep playing here

Ban him for a few more months

And if he doesn't try anything funny he can come back after his ban runs out

In the meantime he can play elsewhere if he wants to

I think that's a reasonable approach

Not to disagree with a mod, but I do not think that is what happened.

If I remember correctly (and it is possible that I do not) magic_gazz was banned for a month.

The month was up when I played a game on a different account. It was only when there was an issue and that account was linked to being me that it all blew up.

The reason as I understand for being banned was multiple issues, not skirting a ban.

not really

there's only 1 worth playing on

lolmagic, as I just posted, you were only given 6 months probation for you breaking the WSoWW game and then insta violated it by breaking the Survivor game with non participation.