Starazz should be unbanned too he behaved fine on his gimmick did he not?

I miss saying magic jizz so if we allow him to stay he should go back to that account

what was starrazz's gimmick?

It's obvious at this point that Hurp only cares about the gimmicks.

Hurp doesn't play WW anymore anyway, he just deeply cares about what goes on in the games. He shall be renamed Atakowl.

It's already common knowledge that Atakdog's my go-to gimmick

AORN, I actually think he plays more than you do. Not a good look.

heads up I think hoayaidz is drafting some kind of 89 page summary judgement or something. No idea what's in it.

I forgot. I just remember he got rebanned when they discovered it was him

I hoped that if Crossnerd was allowed to return, and did so with no problems, that no one would really care and other people would be happy she was back. That seems to basically be what happened.

YG, you are talking about this as if she has somehow diminished someone's POG experience since coming back. I'm not aware of any incidents and I actually affirmatively believe that you're exaggerating about her impact on you - which has to have been negligible or nothing - to make a point about an issue that is actually not an issue at all.

Still, fine:

WHY XNERD WAS UNBANNED

It appeared to me, and to some degree us, in retrospect, that Crossnerd was permabanned out of exhaustion with dealing with moderation issues relating to her. Obviously she broke 12366146714271435 forum rules during the period in question, so we're not in any way criticizing that ban. If that starts to happen again we won't even have a conversation about managing it, because it will simply cease with all haste.

Crossnerd was not unbanned because of some imaginary lobby that came to her defense. There was no lobby that we cared about (there really wasn't one at all unless you think we're like, combing the PUB for comments about Crossnerd, which we are not).

One of our goals is to maintain the POG community. Another goal is to try to grow the community. Another goal is to attempt to diminish the negativity in POG - some of you will laugh at me being one of the people working on that, but then you'd be the same people who were convinced that modding me would be the end times - and thereby to make POG more welcoming to new players.

When Crossnerd was banned it is fair to say that POG was in one of its all-time high drama stages. It is also fair to say that POG was in one of its all-time low drama stages when we unbanned Crossnerd. We unbanned her confident that we would be able to maintain the new, better POG environment whether Crossnerd - who mods games and participates in the forum - was here or not.

On top of that, people have a way of learning from mistakes and getting older and generally figuring things out. Her PMs to us were contrite and made it very clear that she wanted to participate and not be a problem. Given that we collectively took her PMs to be genuine, we made the decision we made. We have been pleased to see that we were "right" - so far - about this sometimes highly contentious issue.

It has been, in point of fact, a really low stress non-event for almost everyone. Giving it this much explanation is beyond what is needed, but I tire of the impression that something untoward happened to get her unbanned.

So that's what happened. It has nothing to do with thediceman. Feel free to discuss this as well, but if anyone starts personally attacking Crossnerd, there will be bans. If she starts personally attacking anyone, there will be a ban. This is because personally attacking people while discussing larger issues is not something that you're allowed to do.

Thanks for responding, the bolded is all I ever really wanted you to acknowledge and I really appreciate you doing it here. I'd have been cool with just a pm honestly.

No hard feelings on my end, and personally, I think you should be allowed to stay as thediceman.

I will say this much wrt the gimmick- I was banned for 7 months and I never broke a game, never had a foul, never made abusive threads/gimmicks/nicknames like kioshk/pwnsall and the like (also forgiven). I didn't think I should have been banned for that long a period of time and I asked to come back on more than one occasion. I was told pointblank by wellnamed that I couldn't have my old account back but I was welcome to make a gimmick. I made the decision not to go the route you chose because I think its bull****, but I completely understand your motivation. And I also understand that what you did is essentially sanctioned by moderators. It's what I was told to do too, and I don't think you should be punished for it.

(wellnamed, this is why I wouldn't follow your ******ed gimmick plan. DUCY now?)

So all that being said, I hope you get to stick around and I hope we can build a new relationship that we both enjoy.

holy xpost

I dont agree. Yea there's some haters or ppl who are too uptight and take a game way too serious.
I'm a member in good standing and show a ton of WIM and yet there are some who won't allow me in their games.
So I don't expect any different from you. You would have let dice play but now u know he did wron in the past, you will hold him to those mistakes instead of looking at recent an more uptodate reads.

Cliffs:
X player was a twice in a row.
X player will always be a wolf in my mind even though he Randed villager the past 12 games, since he must be a wolf still.

Move on, lifetime bans are silly. And invites people to make new acct and join again since u give them no change for redemption

Searching on phone is hard

Saymyname was starazz and I believe gtpitch rebanned him

omg u guys, have some coffee with me and chill out!

Saymyname sounds like wellnamed.

Hmm

Please read my posts before saying I'm exaggerating her affect since she's been back when I specifically said she's been fine.

But besides that thanks for finally explaining it

cliffs on developments and major posts since the OP?

In the future though, we should all agree this come-back-on-a-gimmick-then-it-will-be-ok thing doesn't actually work well at all and every single time someone gets found out, it turns into a thread like this. I waited 3 extra months rather than come back on a gimmick because I knew they turn into this, always. Always always. :/

I should point out that me telling xnerd she might want to try evading a ban and playing nice for a while was by no means ever an officially endorsed POG moderator thing. And yes it was probably a bad thing for me to have said but I was looking for a way to thread a very small needle :P It was just a random idea in a skype conversation, based on how the hifi thing worked out

Also, don't take this as a precedent that suggests that we are obligated to explain non-events at length every time someone asks.

Unrelated I know Hoya will do the right thing here.
I have to say that Hoya is creeping up to my all time favorite MOD. He is only behind WELL NAMED atm.
WN is still my favorite and I don't even know why, but he's cool.
Obv wellnamed always does the right thing unless he's playing we and thinks I'm a wolf

Yg, why are you bringing me into this, that seems mean and unnecessary and I don't really like it. I have no bad feelings toward you, even though it always seems like you maintain them toward me. I'd prefer we not go this route. Have some coffee with me! Hug it out!!

The ****...

You were a mod, I asked to be unbanned, and you said it'd be fine to create a gimmick and no one was around to look for me. You also said if I got caught, you'd leave me hanging. So... I dunno homie. It seemed really messed up to me and now watching thediceman go through it, its like.... well... told ya so?

You should have to stick to your word. He's been good, he gets to be unbanned now. Right?