My pm to Crimson seems misleading because he needed to wait till n1 so he has the same info as everyone else.
Which was the bad were just poker players trying to make a living and the Good were the govt trying to use their power to crush them and steal their money.
Mods cannot spew stuff.
We have like10 pms back and forth me explaining to him to wait.
The stuff with killer was for him taking a moment I used him to clear something up in private, to him coming and trash me in public for no reason.
i invented my games, there are no WW. They are much smarter than that. There are a game where the puzzle pieces are missing and ou need to use imagination to solve them or see what is not there.
my games are called AIDS and there always a disclaimer. So you again infraced me for the wrong reasons. I don't care about the points.
I want to be convicted for the crimes I commited.
I attacked Dwetzel and I'm guilty. Since I'm not even sorry, I'll take my punishment
But I, Ricky Urenadid not make modding mistakes.
Game was designed and ran as designed.
Killer communicated outside of the game and had to die. This are your forum WW rules.
I asked him what happens if the watcher watch someone who didn't get visited but said person went and killed someone. Does watcher gets results? Simple as that.
It was a mistake for trusting killer, the guy who broke rules but then comes in here to trash me.
I don't interfere with my games. The wolves ran over the villa. I didn't help either team.
You pointed out what I said about the game being broken cuz GOOD outed themselves but yet they ran over bad. So funny you are taking a stab at how BAD they were lol.
You still arguing about my game.
My game was good, and some people couldn't figure it out.
There's many murders still unsolved, there's a reason. Someone outsmarted someone.
It's not trolling, it's called you failed to figure it out.
You hoya have failed this ruling. All you had to do was leave out the insults and lies and critiques of my game.
i kindly ask you to retract those lies from public. This is not about Dwetzel anymore. That punishment is being served proudly. I made all the right disclaimers.
I didn't trick anyone into joining, I sent invite pm which is a practice needed this days to fill games and it was suggested to me in my sign up thread multiple times.
It wasn't werewolf, but it was supposed to be. It is therefore judged by the standard: was it a good WW game?
Answer: it wasn't even an acceptable WW game. It was an abysmal WW game littered with crippling modding mistakes that rendered the WW game meaningless, broke game integrity, and wasted the players' time.
It was, on a related but DISTINCT note, a totally fine BATM game, which you will forever more not call WW unless you intend for it to actually be WW. Here, you seem to acknowledge IN YOUR OWN POSTS that it wasn't a WW game AND that it was broken, which SHOULD MEAN you recognize the problem.
You're not getting an apology, ever, about my assessment or opinion of your horrible game. It was horrible.
Batman (and anyone else that runs weird things),
Your game was fun yes. And making a secret roles game is fine and I think there is nothing wrong with the setup. It was just the way you ran it that had problems. Everything was late. So just be more prepared with all your events and such.
As for your setup I've played and modded many weird games. The way you present them is a big part of what's to come and how much people like it. You are correct that some games REQUIRE you the mod to be secretive so as not to spoil all the neat surprises. And that can be tricky.
1) When people ask you questions about things that you don't want to reveal, simply say "You do not know that". Do not tell them or insinuate the opposite. And they can still think whatever they want.
2) Market the game as a hidden roles/rules werewolf game. That way people know that weird things can be afoot yet all your secrets can remain secret.
3) Have all your events ready so that the results of each can be processed quickly. Especially lynch and kills.
4) The No-wolves on day one thing is fun. I've done it before for a themed game. It's good to add more events to replace actual werewolf hunting. People were definitely expecting more death day one so maybe adjust percentages and events accordingly.
I'm actually really surprised this is a new concept for you guys. Although I do notice you guys mostly just play straight vanilla werewolf with no variance. Only the big games seem to have special non-seer roles. But it was a good effort though. I don't think you're going to please most of the people here really.
5) OH yeah you DID PM me saying I'd find out all my info on N1 and that never happened. You need to make sure you follow through on all this because I pretty much gave up on receiving any info because everything was late/didn't come.
BATM you're my boo but you should think about the fact that the second day phase of your game had less posts than a turbo
People realized it was AIDS after N1 and nobody wanted to waste their time playing it anymore
I was endlessly amused from DVC because I'm an evil troll but from someone who A) knew the gimmick and got to watch the game unfold while laughing at the misfortune of others and B) an impartial observer... I could see how advertising the game via PM to someone as "werewolf" could rustle them.
Not that I don't artistically appreciate you comparing this scenario to ~16th century genocides and stuff
The highlight of your career is a camvid on youtube playing dwetzel quite well.
BATM, I could go into a longer explanation about how it's clear to me that (1) your PMs to players in the game, such as CrimsonFox, were misleading or intentionally confusing, (2) your game had no win condition for the majority of the game, (3) the game was not werewolf on day 1, (4) many players had no idea what team they were on, and (5) you designed the game in a way where you knew you had outed essentially 15 out of 21 roles on day 1. But instead, I'll quote you about your own game:
There's no way I'm going to be apologizing to you for saying your game was broken and dumb. I'm also not going to apologize for concluding that your confusing / misleading PMs were intentional - EVEN IF THAT MEANS WITH GOOD INTENTIONS - efforts to maintain the premise of your game (that premise being an information vacuum). I am not presenting some rude, minority view. All I've asked you to do to fix this part of the problem in the future is let people know that you're running a game that is not werewolf. Then I seriously do not care what you do in the game. In this case you actively recruited people for werewolf and they got something else. That is a minor part of your infraction.
The major part of your infraction is the personal attacks. I've been really clear about this: I do not care that they were retaliatory. You cannot do that. DWetzel also cannot do that. I did not take his side - I said I understand being pissed off about your game, but did not understand coming at you about your family or being a terrible person. I've communicated with him on Skype as well, to make sure we're on the same page. I don't even have a side except that I want BOTH of you to stop being difficult to moderate.
Finally, in the spirit of good cheer, I'm going to announce a slight revision to the ruling: BATM's has been reduced to 50 points. I'm doing this because the majority of people seem to think I've overstepped, even though I genuinely disagree. I'd rather we have happy POG than Hoya-is-crazy POG.
That said, I will point out to everyone that infractions are only effective if they actually do something to alter unacceptable behavior. My job is to try to make POG good, basically. I cannot have Wetzel screaming about taking away BATM's kids or BATM telling people to suck things, eat other things, get ****ed, **** off, threatening that he'd break their ****ing face, or telling other people who offer constructive feedback about the modding issue to **** off, too (he did this to killer, with whom he had another problematic mod interaction).
I also cannot have a situation where people constantly get temped, especially over the holidays (because that sucks), and then come back and do the same garbage again. We all know 10 point infractions accomplish literally nothing. We all know that temping someone for personal attacks ends up with the lame arguments about whether they need to be perma'd or not (this is not true in SE, where it works well, but then modding here has taught me more clearly than posting here ever could that this is NOT SE). Both solutions are totally unsatisfactory.
The 65 point infraction was the result of my wanting to make a serious effort to force BATM to stop doing the personal attacks and overwhelmingly rude and obnoxious and aggressive thing that he does on a regular basis. I've previously infracted him 20 points for an incident with TN, which has since expired. I don't think 20 points matters to him (or anyone). I do think 65 points ACTUALLY has a likelihood of curbing his worst habits, which would be good for him and for us. I DON'T think 65 points prevents him from doing anything he's currently allowed to do. Frankly, I defy anyone to explain to me what it is that he CANNOT do if he has 65 points, that he WOULD be allowed to do if he had 20? The answer to this is obviously nothing, right?
Anyway, I'm reducing it to maintain happiness in the community and in acknowledgement that even though *I* think I'm right, lots of you don't. Wetzel's will stay the same because the kids stuff was just garbage and I know he understands the situation.
That is all.
The takeaway from this is crimson fox is hoyas gimmick
My pm to Crimson seems misleading because he needed to wait till n1 so he has the same info as everyone else.
Which was the bad were just poker players trying to make a living and the Good were the govt trying to use their power to crush them and steal their money.
Mods cannot spew stuff.
We have like10 pms back and forth me explaining to him to wait.
The stuff with killer was for him taking a moment I used him to clear something up in private, to him coming and trash me in public for no reason.
i invented my games, there are no WW. They are much smarter than that. There are a game where the puzzle pieces are missing and ou need to use imagination to solve them or see what is not there.
my games are called AIDS and there always a disclaimer. So you again infraced me for the wrong reasons. I don't care about the points.
I want to be convicted for the crimes I commited.
I attacked Dwetzel and I'm guilty. Since I'm not even sorry, I'll take my punishment
But I, Ricky Urenadid not make modding mistakes.
Game was designed and ran as designed.
Killer communicated outside of the game and had to die. This are your forum WW rules.
I asked him what happens if the watcher watch someone who didn't get visited but said person went and killed someone. Does watcher gets results? Simple as that.
It was a mistake for trusting killer, the guy who broke rules but then comes in here to trash me.
I don't interfere with my games. The wolves ran over the villa. I didn't help either team.
You pointed out what I said about the game being broken cuz GOOD outed themselves but yet they ran over bad. So funny you are taking a stab at how BAD they were lol.
You still arguing about my game.
My game was good, and some people couldn't figure it out.
There's many murders still unsolved, there's a reason. Someone outsmarted someone.
It's not trolling, it's called you failed to figure it out.
You hoya have failed this ruling. All you had to do was leave out the insults and lies and critiques of my game.
i kindly ask you to retract those lies from public. This is not about Dwetzel anymore. That punishment is being served proudly. I made all the right disclaimers.
I didn't trick anyone into joining, I sent invite pm which is a practice needed this days to fill games and it was suggested to me in my sign up thread multiple times.
Closing arguments cuz you are right cannot lawyer a lawyer. I'm just the forensic expert guy anyways.
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
It wasn't werewolf, but it was supposed to be. It is therefore judged by the standard: was it a good WW game?
Answer: it wasn't even an acceptable WW game. It was an abysmal WW game littered with crippling modding mistakes that rendered the WW game meaningless, broke game integrity, and wasted the players' time.
It was, on a related but DISTINCT note, a totally fine BATM game, which you will forever more not call WW unless you intend for it to actually be WW. Here, you seem to acknowledge IN YOUR OWN POSTS that it wasn't a WW game AND that it was broken, which SHOULD MEAN you recognize the problem.
You're not getting an apology, ever, about my assessment or opinion of your horrible game. It was horrible.
Hoya I respect you.
You have put ur opinion on how I run my games unfairly, and u try to damage my rep as a MOD.
I have invented and added more games to this forum in the last year than anyone I believe. I have a small niche market of player who like them. And a huge part who hates them etc.
There were no modding mistakes, NAs went as plan. My events were time consuming but all correct and I never intervene in the game.
As shown with GOOD being outed (to me at least) and crushing the BAD anyways.
You have infraced me on WW rules bit you then say this was not a WW game. Therefore your ruling is incorrect.
You said I ran a bad WW game, but this wasn't that.
You asked for disclaimers, and I had all the signs.
You called it terrible, well It didn't go as I expected. I expected n1 when I posted the story that people would read it and realize bad were just good guys who got ****ed over by the GOOD.
You called it dumb and other horrible **** but you are insulting and violation my free speech and my act to do as I please as long as I'm not breaking any forum rules.
Above was your own words saying this is not a WW game. And then punishment was serve as it if was.
Your first mistake.
Here the proof for others.
We can set up a jury since obv you don't agree or you can use your absolute power.
Or you can give up this nonsense and pass it over to someone who is not personally and emotionally attached as you are. Which it the best solution at this point.
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Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!
I didn't see any signups, if there's another game buried somewhere let me know. I don't wanna cockblock
I'm bored. Just got a job offer and don't have to keep searching so I have a couple of free weeks
Let's play whatever, I'm open for suggestions but I want to run something like a v+ or a mini mash.
Deff not a straight Vanilla cuz I don't wanna slice my wrist.
Just join and let me put some controlled AIDS* into your holidays.
What I promise: FUN
AIDS*
A different game made up in 5 min or so with off the charts amazing roles or never seen things like always.
*Controlled AIDS is a weak strain that won't cause major BUTTHURT or trauma as in past games.
I'm looking for maybe 17 or less.
Don't be a pussy. Join all welcome. Game should be short
starts Monday. Or Sunday late night. Fill ER up
Apparently there was a ton of butthurt by one person which is in a way controlled. So no lies there.
Look at the blue, look at the highlighters or look at the red or black.
Everywhere u look there gold and sign of this game being something else. It's all over like AIDS in your blood stream.
This game was epic way to end 2014 in the making. It is the most talked about game of the year.
Do you retract those horrible things you say now and all the unjustful lies you spew about me?
You cannot hate or try to control something you do not understand in the first place.
Something u didn't do any work on before presenting to the public or the jury and that's why you need to acquit.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
mail some people?
Here was the idea and something it's been done for every mash, specially the ones not scheduled or plan in one day or two.
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Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!
I didn't spam. I will
I wish there was an easy list of people who would be ok getting this pm and we can send in one click or have a mod do it.
Someone come up with that
What I promise:
FUN
AIDS*
A different game made up in 5 min or so with off the charts amazing roles or never seen things like always.
AIDS*
A different game made up in 5 min or so AIDS*
A different game made up in 5 min or so AIDS*
A different game made up in 5 min or so AIDS*
A different game made up in 5 min or so AIDS*
A different game made up in 5 min or so AIDS*
A different game made up in 5 min or so
Just work off those points like a prison inmate, batm. Lift weights, read books, keep your nose clean, and join a gang for protection. It's only a year.
Koishk,
I want to. But being a jerk in Jail gets you a ton of respect. Once they know I stood up to a bully I'll be respected.
Do you know what happened to people who troll a fake WW game or MODs who create a game to waste time and interfere with them?
Yea exactly, we are the worst. If the other inmates know why I got time im gonna be somebody funhole.
I do not want to be that guy, who gets abused cuz I'm a convicted game breaker mod
Please join me in acquitting me of this horrible and incorrect judgment.
For Christmas to myself, I'm going to not read that.
Merry Christmas!
Yes don't read it, matter fact just delete it. You wouldn't want other lawyers or judges in your field to find what a poor case you made and how you went with your gut instead of the evidence presented to you.
What a shame. Seriously