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12-25-2014 , 05:28 AM

#2476

CrimsonFox

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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler

I'd like to see video responses

the gift that keeps on giving...

12-25-2014 , 07:18 AM

#2477

Gabethebabe

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Originally Posted by younguns87

Anyone who signs up for a BATM game knows what he's getting in to, that's why many of us sign up for them.

FYP

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

If you want to run games with that much interference or "AIDS," you need to advertise them as a BATM game that is not actually WW. It just shares elements.

This is like saying that snow is white. BATM games are universally considered as AIDS and you need to enter them with a different mindset or do not enter them at all (DWetzel). BATM's games are not meant for sirius ppl and all the lawyery stuff hoya said is misplaced

You sign up, hoping to get some lolz in before you randomly die

BATM should continue offering games and stop doing that at the moment nobody signs up for them anymore.

12-25-2014 , 07:53 AM

#2478

baudib1

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I usually don't go for trite but lettuce consider on this day that WW is probably not one of the more important things in our lives.

glgl

12-25-2014 , 08:07 AM

#2479

Booker Wolfbox

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Subscribing just so that I stop missing 500 posts of pure sweet AIDS every time something happens

12-25-2014 , 08:09 AM

#2480

Alrighty Roo

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Originally Posted by The Moocher

Outstanding.

That cat looks like he's seen some things...

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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler

Moochers has been a complete buffoon ever since he got on that otter kick

None of his jokes are funny or.make sense but he still.looks around laughing expecting everyone to.laugh back and us black names laugh because we know who has the authority but ffs does anyone really find the otter act funny anymore?

Mooch take a month off and compose yourself man

12-25-2014 , 08:46 AM

#2481

thediceman

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

Time keeps getting away from me for family stuff. I'm not inclined to ban either of you even though you both totally deserve it, and know that, and posted that way ON PURPOSE as a rhetorical tool to further express your madness at each other. Which is annoying because now I'm pretty much giving you a pass about breaking forum rules on purpose. I'm within my rights to do all sorts of ban / infraction / whatever.

BATM: I don't care about your games, really. What I do care about is you actively recruiting people into a WW game that was, by even a charitable interpretation, broken and dumb. I also have a large problem with you modding the game in a way that made you an active participant in the game, influencing decisions and outcomes beyond the available information.

If you want to run games with that much interference or "AIDS," you need to advertise them as a BATM game that is not actually WW. It just shares elements.

As a WW game, that game was broken and a waste of time for anyone who really was looking for a WW game. The fact that you recruited people - you sent me the PM as well - to play WW in that thread is evidence that you knew you were tricking people and trolling them. The reaction is not surprising to me, because after the first day I would've been pissed too.

I'm reminded of a vanilla game that office dog ran where the role PMs were so incompetent that no one knew they were a wolf, and chaos ensued. This is a lot like that.

You modded very badly and should acknowledge that, which you have in your way sort of done.

In the future, don't run abysmal games and call them werewolf and waste everyone's time. If you ever do, you'll be banned from modding.

With regard to your posts in this thread, you continually insist on making unacceptable personal attacks in a routine, grating, arrogant and immature manner. And then you whine about other people being mean to you. I don't care who said what first, you cannot do that. I know you know this, because I communicate this to you via PM on a regular basis, and you still do it.

Instead of banning you, I will shortly be hitting you with a significant infraction. It will last a year. You will fix this or you will again be infracted, and that will almost certainly be a significant ban.

DWETZEL: I understand your frustration. I do NOT understand the magnitude of it. At some point you must have realized you had blown up, probably around the part where you started bringing up his child. That's bad, dude. No matter how ****ty his game, you don't know him or his family and that's cruel.

I've politely asked you tone this part of your repertoire down, and I'm sure you mostly try. But your comments in here are beyond the pale, on purpose, and you know that.

I can easily imagine myself getting furious and saying awful stuff too, and I acknowledge that me working on this spat is pretty questionable given my history in the "try hard / game integrity" camp vs. the "lol / you're too serious" camp. But I think you knew what you were doing and knew I had, because I can relate, tried to extend you a lot of rope.

You too are going to get a significant infraction. I anticipate this barely mattering to you, because you'll control yourself. But if you don't, it'll be your decision.

BOTH OF YOU: I like having both of you here. I don't want either of you gone, at all.

I also do not appreciate you trying to force me to take action against each other. I expect you to help maintain this community, and that's gonna mean tolerating each other's existence in it.

I think you both went scorched earth and tried to be martyrs. I'm taking that away from you by not banning you.

The infractions last a year. I hope you won't get yourselves banned by forgetting or ignoring that you've been unmistakably warned that your posting cannot be openly hostile in the way this thread became.

Hoya for Mod

.....oh wait. Carry on.

12-25-2014 , 08:51 AM

#2482

thediceman

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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel

I admired greatly how thought-out and explanatory your post was. People can disagree and that's fine.

Let's have a beer sometime.

If any of you guys are ever in Auckland, New Zealand hit me up, beers on me.

Pretty sure most people on here despite our differences would be great to hang out with.

12-25-2014 , 09:05 AM

#2483

thediceman

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Originally Posted by domer2

It should be noted that I've agreed with Dwetz most of the time...that said...

In 7th grade, I took an SAT test without preparing for it at all, it was spur-of-the-moment, I knew about it about an hour ahead of time and didn't do any research or anything. I scored higher on it than the average person using it to apply for college in my area. An IQ test has shown me to be in the 99.9th percentile for IQ. This is the highest result the test I was given reaches; anything further and they'd consider it to be within the margin of error for that test.

My mother's boyfriend of 15 years is an aerospace engineer who graduated Virginia Tech. At the age of 15, I understood physics better than him, and I owe very little of it to him, as he would rarely give me a decent explanation of anything, just tell me that my ideas were wrong and become aggravated with me for not quite understanding thermodynamics. He's not particularly successful as an engineer, but I've met lots of other engineers who aren't as good as me at physics, so I'm guessing that's not just a result of him being bad at it. I'm also pretty good at engineering. I don't have a degree, and other than physics I don't have a better understanding of any aspect of engineering than any actual engineer, but I have lots of ingenuity for inventing new things. For example, I independently invented regenerative brakes before finding out what they were, and I was only seven or eight years old when I started inventing wireless electricity solutions (my first idea being to use a powerful infrared laser to transmit energy; admittedly not the best plan).

I have independently thought of basically every branch of philosophy I've come across. Every question of existentialism which I've seen discussed in books or anywhere else, the thoughts haven't been new to me. Philosophy has pretty much gotten trivial for me; I considered taking a philosophy course in college just to see how easy it was. I didn't.

Psychology, I actually understand better than people with degrees. Unlike engineering, there's no aspect of psychology which I don't have a very good understanding of. I can debunk many of even Sigmund Freud's theories.

I'm a good enough writer that I'm writing a book and so far everybody who's read any of it has said it was really good and plausible to expect to have published. And that's not just, like, me and family members, that counts strangers on the Internet. I've heard zero negative appraisal of it so far; people have critiqued it, but not insulted it.

I don't know if that will suffice as evidence that I'm intelligent. But as a man of intelligence I agree with BATM. The following are some examples of my morals and ethical code.

I believe firmly that everybody deserves a future. If we were to capture Hitler at the end of WWII, I would be against executing him. In fact, if we had any way of rehabilitating him and knowing that he wasn't just faking it, I'd even support the concept of letting him go free. This is essentially because I think that whoever you are in the present is a separate entity from who you were in the past and who you are in the future, and while your present self should take responsibility for your past self's actions, it shouldn't be punished for them simply for the sake of punishment, especially if the present self regrets the actions of the past self and feels genuine guilt about them.

I don't believe in judgement of people based on their personal choices as long as those personal choices aren't harming others. I don't have any issue with any type of sexuality whatsoever (short of physically acting out necrophilia, pedophilia, or other acts which have a harmful affect on others - but I don't care what a person's fantasies consist of, as long as they recognize the difference between reality and fiction and can separate them). I don't have any issue with anybody over what type of music they listen to, or clothes they wear, etc. I know that's not really an impressive moral, but it's unfortunately rare; a great many people, especially those my age, are judgmental about these things. I love everyone, even people I hate. I wish my worst enemies good fortune and happiness. Monkey Banana is a vile, piece of **** human being, deserving of zero respect, but I wish for him to change for the better and live the best life possible. I wish this for everyone.

I'm pretty much a pacifist. I've taken a broken nose without fighting back or seeking retribution, because the guy stopped punching after that. The only time I'll fight back is if 1) the person attacking me shows no signs of stopping and 2) if I don't attack, I'll come out worse than the other person will if I do. In other words, if fighting someone is going to end up being more harmful to them than just letting them go will be to me, I don't fight back. I've therefore never had a reason to fight back against anyone in anything serious, because my ability to take pain has so far made it so that I'm never in a situation where I'll be worse off after a fight. If I'm not going to get any hospitalizing injuries, I really don't care.

The only exception is if someone is going after my life. Even then, I'll do the minimum amount of harm to them that I possibly can in protecting myself. If someone points a gun at me and I can get out of it without harming them, I'd prefer to do that over killing them. I consider myself a feminist. I don't believe in enforced or uniform gender roles; they may happen naturally, but they should never be coerced into happening unnaturally. As in, the societal pressure for gender roles should really go, even if it'll turn out that the majority of relationships continue operating the same way of their own accord. I treat women with the same outlook I treat men, and never participate in the old Twoplustwo "women are crazy" circlejerk, because there are multiple women out there and each have different personalities just like there are multiple men out there and each with different personalities. I don't think you do much of anything except scare off the awesome women out there by going on and on about the ones who aren't awesome.

That doesn't mean I look for places to victimize women, I just don't believe it's fair to make generalizations such as the one about women acting like everything's OK when it's really not (and that's a particularly harsh example, because all humans do that). I'm kind of tired of citing these examples and I'm guessing you're getting tired of reading them, if you've even made it this far. In closing, the people who know me in real life all respect me, as do a great many people in the werewolf community, where I spend most of my time and where I'm pretty known for being helpful around the community. A lot of people in my segment of the community are going through hard times, and I spend a lot of time giving advice and support to people there. Yesterday someone quoted a case of me doing this in a post asking everyone what their favorite motivational/inspirational quote was, and that comment was very popular in skype chat, so I guess other people agreed.

All that, and I think Dwetz's behavior in this thread was totally assholish. So what do you think, now that you know where I am coming from?

Interesting that you say all this as I have never seen you be anything more than rude and egotistical.

You would think that someone as gifted as you would not expect as much from other people as you seem to in games of werewolf. Infact I think you were rude to me just for me saying I didn't have Skype.

I might be wrong but I think you were one of the people that objected to me being allowed to play werewolf, funny seeing as here you say you think everyone deserves a future. So either you were not telling the truth or you honestly think I am worse than Hitler.

Having said all that, new year is coming, new beginning and all that. If you are on the same team as me just know I am doing my best and respect that. I have a lot of respect for your game and that is not down to how much time you have but the fact you give it your all. You just need to realise that someone else giving their all will not be that same as you doing it.

12-25-2014 , 09:07 AM

#2484

thediceman

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Originally Posted by ihcjay

Since I'm on a roll lets ban UAW since he zero posted in a god damn slow game

UAW's 0 post day was probably better than yours :P

12-25-2014 , 09:10 AM

#2485

thediceman

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Originally Posted by The Moocher

Cat reaching for his arm, trying to stop him posting.

Both my cats are asleep, so there is no one to stop me hahaha

12-25-2014 , 09:15 AM

#2486

thediceman

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Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!

Hoya I tell you a true story.

In the early 1500s some people came to the island where my ancestors and I were from.
They killed 80% of the men because no one seem to mind and the people had the power so they could abuse it.
The were unstoppable.
Well they weren't all that bad.
The teach the rest laws and what happened when u didn't obey them, teach them spanish and as a favor they left 50% or so of the women who were fertile.
And as a bonus raped them so they could populate with a mixed breed.
The end is a happy story. Because they abused their power but at least they didn't kill them all.
Think about it.
There was 100% and they only eliminated about 65% of them. Cuz 64 just wasn't enough.

True story*

*percentages might be off slightly.

So thanks for taking just 2/3

I ****ing love you.

12-25-2014 , 09:21 AM

#2487

thediceman

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Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!

I'm against liars hoya.
You made me look worse by lying, you won't adress it.
I'll take my 65 points as a xmas gift. Well deserve no problem.
But you gave me 65 points on false premises.
You infracted fine. But your accusation were false, therefore you need to acquit.

You need to come back with a new trial with the right evidence and finding and then try to get me for like 40 points and I'll plead guilty.

But all the false accusation and insults need to go away.
You added to this nonsense by fueling it and picking sides, in public and PRIVATE.

Merry Xmas bro. I know u don't wanna work in the holidays and I wouldn't want you to.
So enjoy ur time and eat good food, drink and have fun with family. Then in 2015 after the festivities, you sit and think what could I have done different.
Build the right case and make the right ruling.

U don't hve to apologize, I don't need it and won't be sincere at this point.
I like you and just want you to use ur power correctly. You are a lawyer correct?
You swore under oath. So again enjoy holidays and I wish you the best.
Then on 2015 is a new year and we start with clean slate.
We do a new trial. I'll plead guilty to any points under 99

I just want justice to be serve rightly. Theres a difference from manslaughter and murder. Yea u killed someone but there's a big difference. I want the record straight and any false allegations against me to be dropped.

Even I would have given up at this point.

12-25-2014 , 09:26 AM

#2488

thediceman

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I would like to thank this thread for giving me some enjoyment at 2am after a pretty ****ty xmas.

12-25-2014 , 11:41 AM

#2489

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Originally Posted by thediceman

I would like to thank this thread for giving me some enjoyment at 2am after a pretty ****ty xmas.

12-25-2014 , 12:02 PM

#2490

biggerboat

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So many words.

12-25-2014 , 12:11 PM

#2491

PlzBeALevel

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what can men do against such reckless hate

12-25-2014 , 12:17 PM

#2492

kioshk

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I've gotten my share of points over the years, but never more than 20 at a time. (not counting a joke 49-pointer from killa that expired in 30 minutes.)

12-25-2014 , 12:26 PM

#2493

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Originally Posted by thediceman

UAW's 0 post day was probably better than yours :P

I've never zero posted and I was the mod of the game

12-25-2014 , 12:27 PM

#2494

IBeDrummin

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Originally Posted by kioshk

I've gotten my share of points over the years, but never more than 20 at a time. (not counting a joke 49-pointer from killa that expired in 30 minutes.)

I'll bet you straightened up and flew right for that half hour.

12-25-2014 , 12:29 PM

#2495

kioshk

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Originally Posted by IBeDrummin

I'll bet you straightened up and flew right for that half hour.

heh you know I did. It gave me 99 at the time. I think I have 20 left now that expire in January.

12-25-2014 , 12:30 PM

#2496

IBeDrummin

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Originally Posted by ihcjay

I've never zero posted and I was the mod of the game

I love this post.

12-25-2014 , 12:41 PM

#2497

pwnsall

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Originally Posted by filthyvermin

Great job filthy!

Really good in the middle part

12-25-2014 , 12:45 PM

#2498

filthyvermin

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years of training, thousands of dollars, and the highlight of my career is a camvid on youtube playing dwetzel.

i'll take it!!

12-25-2014 , 02:58 PM

#2499

TheBrokenATM!

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Originally Posted by thediceman

I ****ing love you.

Sometimes there's gold in the least unlikely places.

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Originally Posted by thediceman

I would like to thank this thread for giving me some enjoyment at 2am after a pretty ****ty xmas.

You welcome. Merry Xmas and happy new year. I have a hangover
Apparently I was mixing wine with all types of hard liquors.

12-25-2014 , 03:02 PM

#2500

CPHoya

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The highlight of your career is a camvid on youtube playing dwetzel quite well.

BATM, I could go into a longer explanation about how it's clear to me that (1) your PMs to players in the game, such as CrimsonFox, were misleading or intentionally confusing, (2) your game had no win condition for the majority of the game, (3) the game was not werewolf on day 1, (4) many players had no idea what team they were on, and (5) you designed the game in a way where you knew you had outed essentially 15 out of 21 roles on day 1. But instead, I'll quote you about your own game:

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!

I know right. Is like having a game and not telling the WILves they are wolbes. They out themselves on day1 but no one did anything. I thought the game was broken and I should have told wolves they were wolves tbh

There's no way I'm going to be apologizing to you for saying your game was broken and dumb. I'm also not going to apologize for concluding that your confusing / misleading PMs were intentional - EVEN IF THAT MEANS WITH GOOD INTENTIONS - efforts to maintain the premise of your game (that premise being an information vacuum). I am not presenting some rude, minority view. All I've asked you to do to fix this part of the problem in the future is let people know that you're running a game that is not werewolf. Then I seriously do not care what you do in the game. In this case you actively recruited people for werewolf and they got something else. That is a minor part of your infraction.

The major part of your infraction is the personal attacks. I've been really clear about this: I do not care that they were retaliatory. You cannot do that. DWetzel also cannot do that. I did not take his side - I said I understand being pissed off about your game, but did not understand coming at you about your family or being a terrible person. I've communicated with him on Skype as well, to make sure we're on the same page. I don't even have a side except that I want BOTH of you to stop being difficult to moderate.

Finally, in the spirit of good cheer, I'm going to announce a slight revision to the ruling: BATM's has been reduced to 50 points. I'm doing this because the majority of people seem to think I've overstepped, even though I genuinely disagree. I'd rather we have happy POG than Hoya-is-crazy POG.

That said, I will point out to everyone that infractions are only effective if they actually do something to alter unacceptable behavior. My job is to try to make POG good, basically. I cannot have Wetzel screaming about taking away BATM's kids or BATM telling people to suck things, eat other things, get ****ed, **** off, threatening that he'd break their ****ing face, or telling other people who offer constructive feedback about the modding issue to **** off, too (he did this to killer, with whom he had another problematic mod interaction).

I also cannot have a situation where people constantly get temped, especially over the holidays (because that sucks), and then come back and do the same garbage again. We all know 10 point infractions accomplish literally nothing. We all know that temping someone for personal attacks ends up with the lame arguments about whether they need to be perma'd or not (this is not true in SE, where it works well, but then modding here has taught me more clearly than posting here ever could that this is NOT SE). Both solutions are totally unsatisfactory.

The 65 point infraction was the result of my wanting to make a serious effort to force BATM to stop doing the personal attacks and overwhelmingly rude and obnoxious and aggressive thing that he does on a regular basis. I've previously infracted him 20 points for an incident with TN, which has since expired. I don't think 20 points matters to him (or anyone). I do think 65 points ACTUALLY has a likelihood of curbing his worst habits, which would be good for him and for us. I DON'T think 65 points prevents him from doing anything he's currently allowed to do. Frankly, I defy anyone to explain to me what it is that he CANNOT do if he has 65 points, that he WOULD be allowed to do if he had 20? The answer to this is obviously nothing, right?

Anyway, I'm reducing it to maintain happiness in the community and in acknowledgement that even though *I* think I'm right, lots of you don't. Wetzel's will stay the same because the kids stuff was just garbage and I know he understands the situation.

That is all.

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