Other than Well Named, who else are we about to "permanently" ban? - Page 107

I like Quarrrr as a person, but he has been skirting the line between apologetic and patronizing after each transgression. I am easily open to forgiving someone who is genuinely sorry and tries to improve, but I do not believe Quarrrr intends to do the respectful thing at this particular moment in time, for whatever reason. The lack of respect for others combined with the lack of acknowledged self responsibility is why I think he may deserve a sanction, and I'm generally very laissez faire

01-13-2015 , 01:40 AM

#2652

ReddBoiler

self-banned

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 35,507

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPHoya

I also hate the idea of policing -EV play

makes this hard

Let me just stop you right here. Don't take offense to this but you nor anyone else is the authority on whether plays are +EV or -ev.

You don't police this claim at all. You police the quitting and strictly the quitting.

We don't want our mods big Brothering our strategical decisions, just our decisions that hurt the game from a game integrity or participation standpoint.

glgl

01-13-2015 , 01:48 AM

#2653

iversonian

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,441

what's the tally so far amongst people who played in this game with him?

01-13-2015 , 01:49 AM

#2654

jenningst77

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 4,108

that's why you get paid the big bucks hoya

i propose a temporary 1 month off

just pretend it was only because of the zero posting as a wolf if the other thing makes you queasy (understandable). i don't believe it would be remotely controversial or unwarranted given the seeming lack of remorse or acknowledgement that some people gaf about the games

Last edited by jenningst77; 01-13-2015 at 01:55 AM.

01-13-2015 , 02:00 AM

#2655

dkgojackets

DKGOAT

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86,123

i don't think there is any behavior that won't be defended by someone here.

sounds like a previous troublemaker just straight ruined a game and quit because he didnt feel like playing. who wants to sign up to play with a guy like that? hang em high

01-13-2015 , 02:05 AM

#2656

Hurp Durpington

Owlpert

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 32,509

getting more and more obvious that 72off is a Hurp Durpington gimmick

01-13-2015 , 02:06 AM

#2657

CPHoya

Warden of Taipan Island

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 73,265

I think I'm going to have to just say there's a "know it when you see it" standard regarding actively giving the finger to the games, and that Quarrrr satisfies that standard, particularly given that in his very last game he simply quit and was warned, and openly dumped his obligation to help his team in the next one.

Also, this just kind of ticks me off:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPHoya

Quarrrr:

Without being a jerk about it, your attitude about dipping out of a game, which screws all of us and the mod, is not appreciated. You're right that WW is not very important vis a vis other priorities in life. You're wrong that this means that when you sign up, you get to choose whether to participate or not. When you sign up, you commit to play. We can't run games if people view playing as optional.

You can expect either a significant infraction or ban after we discuss this.

I think the two most pertinent things to remember are:

1. ALL you have to do is tell the mod you are out / have an issue, and you have solved about 95% of the problem. I straight-up reject any argument that one can become so busy that that's impossible. When you don't tell the mod, you screw over the mod, who has no idea wtf to do about your non-participation, and who doesn't know if you'll show up or not.

2. When you ditch a game, you break the game by tanking your team's win equity, which is bad but made way worse by the fact that it's rude and arrogant. The players put in time they could spend, like you chose to spend, doing something else. They chose to play a game with you, which you chose to **** up. So lame and lazy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarrrr

Hoya bro, you don't have to bother yourself telling me all this. I fully understand what I did wrong and what exactly did it cause. I'm not a jerk, I just sometimes happen to act like one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPHoya

I give precisely zero ****s about whether you now realize that sucked. All my ****s are reserved for making it way less likely that people continue to do this. You are, you may notice, not the first. I want to cure that issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPHoya

The good news for you is you'll probably avoid whatever we decide the standard should be, since you didn't know it was the standard because it wasn't, yet, the standard.

Can't be hosing you unfairly now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarrrr

Soooo you don't want to discuss it, it appears, tho you said you did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarrrr

If you think, me personally in this scenario should be banned for this, you should not wait for further discussion or anything but punish me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarrrr

I mean me ruining my relations with monkey and being said by rawrs that he was worried for my well being gave me enough of a reality check that no length of a ban would make it worse for me.

So from my own subjective judgement ban would be unnecessery.

Peace

01-13-2015 , 02:09 AM

#2658

Top Tier Tom

Tom the Tom

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 29,464

That's the "lack of self responsibility" that I think is even more worthy of contempt than the actual deed

01-13-2015 , 02:11 AM

#2659

CPHoya

Warden of Taipan Island

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 73,265

Quarrrr will not be playing any WW games for two months. I think that he knew what he was doing and enjoyed trolling people about it. I also think that infractions do nothing at all to prevent him from doing it again, as public censure and his own alleged guilt and consternation about his mistake seemed to have no effect on him.

If I see him sign up for a game between now and March 12, 2015, I will simply ban him and lobby for some sort of massively long 2p2 ban. This means that game mods do not have the flexibility to let him play until March 13, 2015. If you tell him he can, you're just getting him banned.

Quarrrr, if you utilize a gimmick to play I will have you perma'd from 2p2. Please take the time to cool off and work out why you're enjoying trolling games so much, or why you're signing up if you dislike them this much, and come back fresher.

EDIT: If you come back and do it again, I will have you perma'd for that reason, by the way. It's all your call, and you're welcome to contribute to POG in other constructive ways.

01-13-2015 , 02:13 AM

#2660

mutigers

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 37,175

01-13-2015 , 02:16 AM

#2661

Top Tier Tom

Tom the Tom

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 29,464

Sounds appropriately lawyery; A+ use of consternation.

Quarrrr, hope to play with the non-troll version of you sometime in the future. I think most of us liked that guy when he wasn't being selfish.

01-13-2015 , 02:20 AM

#2662

Hurp Durpington

Owlpert

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 32,509

CPHoya GOAT

01-13-2015 , 02:22 AM

#2663

Rawlz517

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 58,239

Time to take my name out of the title yo

01-13-2015 , 02:50 AM

#2664

Kaze13

call me jeff

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 38,424

Title looks good

01-13-2015 , 02:51 AM

#2665

Willi

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 41,524

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurp Durpington

just ban most Estonians except willi and qq. they just don't play the same way and looks to be trouble in general

Lenc has defenetly caused least trouble in POG.

01-13-2015 , 02:57 AM

#2666

DiggertheDog

Pan Troglodytes

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 57,791

I have no problem with the process you went with.

A more substantial contributor to POG might expect more leeway...but this seems appropriate given the immediacy of the past indiscretion making it less likely he "forgot" all about acceptable standards.

01-13-2015 , 03:00 AM

#2667

Thingyman

Born This Way

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 30,507

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willi

Lenc has defenetly caused least trouble in POG.

well

lenC did quit halfway through the Champ finale game

so maybe there's a pattern here :P

Spoiler:

01-13-2015 , 03:32 AM

#2668

nutshot2

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 48,742

Let's get rid of this guy Hurp Durpington. Nothing but trouble

01-13-2015 , 03:35 AM

#2669

chuckleslovakian

LYNCH DURRON597

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 35,894

Ban Nutshat

01-13-2015 , 03:36 AM

#2670

LeonardoDicaprio

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 39,918

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaze13

Title looks good

thread didn't deliver

01-13-2015 , 03:57 AM

#2671

Mark_K

Fast Food Value KING

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,204

Sniff. You can't have 'otter games' without the Otter!

01-13-2015 , 04:54 AM

#2672

Chips Ahoy

help me help you

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,869

I need to play a game so I can tell you guys how you're all wrong. :emoticon:

01-13-2015 , 05:01 AM

#2673

Monkey Banana

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 40,103

You definitely need to play a game, Chips. I reread your evisceration of Hurp in a f5 the other day and thought to myself, I wonder what happened to Chips...

01-13-2015 , 05:03 AM

#2674

Quarrrr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 8,548

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPHoya

No wonder you people can't play the game, you have no judgement of ones personality whatsoever. No critique thinking or analyzing abilities.

Last edited by Quarrrr; 01-13-2015 at 05:10 AM.

01-13-2015 , 05:10 AM

#2675

Quarrrr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 8,548

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarrrr

Ok lemme break it down for you plain and red.

Did I not wanna play anymore? I did want to play.

Was I dieing to see my wolfread flip? Yes.

If Me or my peek is not in danger, do I claim there? Not the slightest bit of chance.

In this scenario whilst I'm not feeling the need of my wolfread to flip, do I still claim? I do.

Everything it was, was just a feeling, that I am gonna be dieing in curiousity in the accuracy of my reads d2 if I'm not gonna see my wolfread flip. It had no weigh to my decision to claim.

EDIT// Everybody can go and see my games history where I'm never suspected throughout the game once go to sleep, wake up to see I've been lynched cause people didn't find a lynch.

People are putting others on ignore, lynching for reasons like "you spam", "you troll", "Your mum", have person aimed fights for pages and god knows what else, now for those who actually solve the game, this ruins the game for them just as much as my poor decision to hard claim did for you. Hint hint, I'm one of the players who actually wants to solve the game, but I have never till now complained about it.

I said in the gamethread I was honest saying the point I'm being punished for was not the reason that I hardclaimed for.

And like I said, if I say honest, it means I am.

See this is where reading into a person would come handy, maybe somebody?

I'm fine with ban but don't you ****ing dare to take yourself a right to make a completely wrong assumption that I would purposely **** others over in a game or call me a liar.

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