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Other than Well Named, who else are we about to "permanently" ban? Other than Well Named, who else are we about to "permanently" ban?

07-03-2014 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
There have been several poggers that were banned and are unlikely to ever come back. And those tend to be the ones who screwed up games.

MB may have been banned at his own request. I don't remember for sure. But it was not a POG ban.

Jenn was banned as much for being a nuisance to the mods as for anything else, so that's not really comparable to anything.

Several other people were "perma" banned mostly because they wanted it and not because they really did anything particularly awful -- McAvoy (the first time) and gder.

HiFi was unstable and needed a break and that ban was never intended to be permanent.

Who else was there? I'm pretty sure that no one was banned for game-related reasons and later allowed to return.
So the point of banning him now is cause you're worried he's gonna revert back to his old ways?
07-03-2014 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by lenC
Not post here ever again, would have no problem having the self-respect not to weasel my way back. Just posting this question and implying there's another reasonable option makes you an automatic weirdo in my eyes.
Well then you are stronger than me.

Werewolf is addictive.
07-03-2014 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaronk56's Son
Diceman, is your name a reference to the fact that your coming back while permabanned was a roll of the dice?
Close.

Favourite book.
07-03-2014 , 12:29 AM
Magic as a Diceman makes lot of sense. Nice detective work.

Not my favorite player, but at least in games where I have played he has not done anything against rules.

I am prolly fine either way this goes.
07-03-2014 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by soah
That you don't even consider "stay away" or "wait longer" as options to be considered is a sign that you really haven't changed much.
I considered stay away, but like I said I like playing here.

Wait longer would be fine if that was a real option. If you read the previous thread about me coming back you would know that it probably was not an option.

Even now it has been years since I got banned and still some people do not think that is long enough. This is despite the fact people used breaking games as a reason and I have not broken any games since coming back.
07-03-2014 , 12:29 AM
Dice, do you have used any other gimmicks after you got banned as magicgazz?
07-03-2014 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Willi
Dice, do you have used any other gimmicks after you got banned as magicgazz?
No, not until last month when I played a game on a gimmick.
07-03-2014 , 12:33 AM
ww database already updated

to whoever did that
07-03-2014 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by lenC
Not post here ever again, would have no problem having the self-respect not to weasel my way back. Just posting this question and implying there's another reasonable option makes you an automatic weirdo in my eyes.
Yep.

I've never had any negative experiences with diceman, and magic_gazz is from before I started playing, but I have absolutely no use for these deceptive types and it's beyond obvious that this should be an instant re-ban without even the slightest consideration for any positive behavior that he has displayed as diceman. Fruit of the poisonous tree and all that.
07-03-2014 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mutigers5591
can we perma leo while we are at it
Please do.

Hard claim Jennifer Garner.
07-03-2014 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
He's been outed

He knows the deal

He wants to keep playing here

Ban him for a few more months

And if he doesn't try anything funny he can come back after his ban runs out

In the meantime he can play elsewhere if he wants to

I think that's a reasonable approach
Yes I think even felons get second chances.
I think we saw flashes of dice being a good guy that really likes it here and might have learned from past mistakes.
Maybe grown up a bit.

Then again I think he should be punish for circumventing the ban.
I say a good 3-6 month ban and under no circumstances a new acct can be made.
After the ban period he can come back in as a house arrest or probation for 3 months and then WW court can decide its fate.

Sounds fair I think


This will give me the hope I need to play on my teddy acct once again
07-03-2014 , 01:00 AM
Damn you guys found one and all the dominoes started to fall.
07-03-2014 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by corycurren
If only domer could make better reads in werewolf games
Lolololol.
Omg best!

To domer credit, I think he had a great game in last game where he almost poisoned me and had many wolves in his list.
He's wrong a lot but sometimes he's game on
07-03-2014 , 01:02 AM
Personally I don't see how he doesn't deserve at least some more time off for the dishonest way he returned, regardless of good behavior.

Also, in the most respectful way possible, it looks like those advocating leniency are mostly those that have had issues or problems with misbehavior and punishment here as well. Their suggestions should probably be measured with some skepticism.
07-03-2014 , 01:02 AM
Without getting into the semantics behind some retribution versus rehabilitation debate, I'll simply state that I've played in 15/22 games with dice since his return on the gimmick and have not had a problem with him during the games (and judging by post count via the database, it doesn't appear that non-participation has been a problem).

Also, +1 to this entire post because I am far too lazy to type it out in my own words.

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Originally Posted by well named
My opinion so far is that

a) the attitude towards evading the ban is a problem

b) I think diceman has been fine for the last year. I've played many games with him and never had an issue.

I don't think (b) entirely excuses (a) but I think it's worth taking into account. If I had to do something right this second I'd ban him for some period of time for the perma evasion and then let him come back (obv with some heightened scrutiny) given the fact that he's not really been a problem as thediceman

I find Tom's attitude towards all this way more reasonable than comparing gazz's offenses to assault and murder

As far as what will actually happen, I dunno. Whatever moocher wants imo

Last edited by bhuber2010; 07-03-2014 at 01:18 AM.
07-03-2014 , 01:03 AM
The excuse that "nobody would forgive me for gazz behavior, so I had to create a new account" just is not a good look.
07-03-2014 , 01:05 AM
Man, I dont normally post in PoG outside of game threads...I forgot you're allowed to actually edit posts.

This is mind blowing.
07-03-2014 , 01:06 AM
I'd also probably be a lot more open armed if we didn't have such an active community here. When you've proven yourself to ruin games on multiple occasions and we have no trouble filling games without you, why do you deserve to be back?

Because now you're behaving? How long until you ruin a game a mod took weeks to design?
07-03-2014 , 01:11 AM
If I got perma'd from here I'd probably go on to become a productve member of society.
07-03-2014 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by thediceman
Not saying I am in the right, but what would others do if they were banned from 2+2 with no chance of being allowed back?

Honest question, so please do not answer with things like "not get banned in the first place"
As a person who people call for my head a lot in here...
It would suck a lot, I might even be really sad and try to check in on games and try to make reads...
Most people will ignore u on Skype...
Down time will be boring...
Omg no more AIDS games?
BATMless games? No thanks.

I feel for you bro, u broke a rule to be free and play by the rules.

I said take a 3 months break and we let u back in on POG and u continue to be a fine member and even shape up a bit more.
I will give u some wolf coaching and reinstate your loss Wolf WIM you have lost.
I have helped the declining WW careers of many horrible wolf players In this and other forums.
I can make u a wolf winner again and you may show the POG and WW realm that you can own a game as a wolf.

You will be allowed after all.

FREE diceman after we slap him around ITT and then lock him up for 3 months.
He shall come back and be in probation. I know he will behave cuz he has done it for a year
07-03-2014 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MFFNike
I'd also probably be a lot more open armed if we didn't have such an active community here. When you've proven yourself to ruin games on multiple occasions and we have no trouble filling games without you, why do you deserve to be back?

Because now you're behaving? How long until you ruin a game a mod took weeks to design?
I think having been on this account and not ruined any games and it having been over 2 years since I ruined a game a good indication of future behaviour.
07-03-2014 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!
As a person who people call for my head a lot in here...
It would suck a lot, I might even be really sad and try to check in on games and try to make reads...
Most people will ignore u on Skype...
Down time will be boring...
Omg no more AIDS games?
BATMless games? No thanks.

I feel for you bro, u broke a rule to be free and play by the rules.

I said take a 3 months break and we let u back in on POG and u continue to be a fine member and even shape up a bit more.
I will give u some wolf coaching and reinstate your loss Wolf WIM you have lost.
I have helped the declining WW careers of many horrible wolf players In this and other forums.
I can make u a wolf winner again and you may show the POG and WW realm that you can own a game as a wolf.

You will be allowed after all.

FREE diceman after we slap him around ITT and then lock him up for 3 months.
He shall come back and be in probation. I know he will behave cuz he has done it for a year
Not sure where this lack of WIM comes from.

Yeah last game I had close to 0 but that is not standard.

The only time I run out of WIM is if I am the last wolf and there are many days to go. 90% of the time I am gonna get lynched before the end of the game, why drag it out.

Nowdays though I do check with my team first and am happy to play it out and find the WIM if they want me to.
07-03-2014 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mucksandgravs
Sounds like he was pouring his heart and soul into the campaign and when it didn't work out he went off the deep end to me. God bless his heart.
Please remind me. Who was MB?
To me MB is moneybookers.
I do remember a MB WW player but forgot what stands for
07-03-2014 , 01:18 AM
I also find it humorous that the majority of people expressing strong opinions have either never played with magic gazz, or didn't even know his history prior to this.
07-03-2014 , 01:19 AM
diceman, who's your other gimmick?

      
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